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Posted 09 October 2013 - 05:08 AM

Must do math.  Repub or dem.



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Posted 09 October 2013 - 07:27 AM

Obamacare is nothing more than another means of wealth distribution and using the healthcare system to sell it. 



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Posted 09 October 2013 - 09:53 AM

WE'RE ALREADY PAYING FOR IT!!!! We pay triple the price of regular care for every uninsured person that goes to the ER for a cold when they could have gone to their GP for a sick visit and a prescription. People will be more likely to get preventative care now that they can afford it. If everyone has access to decent medical care, we won't have as many 500 lb. diabetics in the first place!

 

 

 

 



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Posted 09 October 2013 - 01:11 PM

WE'RE ALREADY PAYING FOR IT!!!! We pay triple the price of regular care for every uninsured person that goes to the ER for a cold when they could have gone to their GP for a sick visit and a prescription. People will be more likely to get preventative care now that they can afford it. If everyone has access to decent medical care, we won't have as many 500 lb. diabetics in the first place!

 

You don't pay it...insurance companies pay it and/or hospitals are writing it off. 

 

This is akin to forcing insurance companies offering term life insurance at the same rate to people regardless of health history.

 

Of course an expanded pool of subscribers is required to offset the risks, but this is why government single payer is the eventual goal and what we've been sold is a joke.  The only way that business model can stand is through force and no concern about lack of revenue. 



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Posted 09 October 2013 - 01:44 PM

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 02:08 PM

You don't pay it...insurance companies pay it and/or hospitals are writing it off. 

 

This is akin to forcing insurance companies offering term life insurance at the same rate to people regardless of health history.

 

Of course an expanded pool of subscribers is required to offset the risks, but this is why government single payer is the eventual goal and what we've been sold is a joke.  The only way that business model can stand is through force and no concern about lack of revenue. 

 

So you think insurance companies and hospitals just magically have enough extra money to cover this?

 

No, we pay higher premiums and hospitals are outrageously expensive exactly because we are paying for it, albeit indirectly

 

And we should have single payer, but obamacare is unfortunately not it



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Posted 09 October 2013 - 02:16 PM

Dave's not here, man...



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Posted 09 October 2013 - 03:40 PM

So you think insurance companies and hospitals just magically have enough extra money to cover this?

 

No, we pay higher premiums and hospitals are outrageously expensive exactly because we are paying for it, albeit indirectly

 

And we should have single payer, but obamacare is unfortunately not it

 

This!



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Posted 09 October 2013 - 04:23 PM

You don't pay it...insurance companies pay it and/or hospitals are writing it off. 

 

This is akin to forcing insurance companies offering term life insurance at the same rate to people regardless of health history.

 

Of course an expanded pool of subscribers is required to offset the risks, but this is why government single payer is the eventual goal and what we've been sold is a joke.  The only way that business model can stand is through force and no concern about lack of revenue. 

 

 

lol

 

 

Up until last year I was in HR. I took care of the health insurance renewals.  I've gone to several seminars regarding health insurance.

 

Hospitals pay for it by raising rates on everyone. Then the insurance company has to pay the high rate. Then they have to raise their insurance rates to cover the high cost of health care. So insured citizens premiums go up 15+%  (try 44%, 37%, 25% for our company the last three years).  Insurance companies pay for it and hospitals pay for and then pass it down to their customers buying insurance. We are definitely paying for it. 



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Posted 09 October 2013 - 04:29 PM

Hospitals pass some of it on, but now with the law stating they have to show all costs...people's eyes are getting opened.

 

Still doesn't change the math. 



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Posted 09 October 2013 - 04:41 PM

Hospitals pass some of it on, but now with the law stating they have to show all costs...people's eyes are getting opened.

 

Still doesn't change the math. 

 

You're right, the math doesn't change. The problem is the math supports our assertions and not yours.



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Posted 09 October 2013 - 04:46 PM

You're right, the math doesn't change. The problem is the math supports our assertions and not yours.

 

That government has created another unsustainable government program?  You're right. 
 



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Posted 09 October 2013 - 04:58 PM

That government has created another unsustainable government program?  You're right. 
 

I want to believe you're trolling and not really this big of a numbskull...



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Posted 09 October 2013 - 07:02 PM

Pass a law that over 50% of the people oppose.  That's is poor leadership.  This is what you get when you have no leadership.   



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Posted 09 October 2013 - 07:39 PM

Socialism is grand. Have fun paying double or triple for your healthcare. Democrats aka socialist will be the ruin of this country no doubt about it.