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That government has created another unsustainable government program?  You're right. 
 

I want to believe you're trolling and not really this big of a numbskull...

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Pass a law that over 50% of the people oppose.  That's is poor leadership.  This is what you get when you have no leadership.   

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Socialism is grand. Have fun paying double or triple for your healthcare. Democrats aka socialist will be the ruin of this country no doubt about it.

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Pass a law that over 50% of the people oppose. That's is poor leadership. This is what you get when you have no leadership.


Obama won twice...so there's that

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Obamacare is the most ill conceived pc of vote buying legislation to ever come down the pike, no matter who came up with it.

 

Healthcare prices, insurance, hospital costs are and have been going through the roof.  But, instead fo getting to the root of why prices are going up and finding a remedy, this does nothing.  Just makes insurance companies bigger and takes tons and I mean tons of cash out of the economy through extremely high rates.

 

NOTHING is solved by never addressing the real problem of high prices and now creating tons of other problems by the high premium prices.  I contend, this was never about solving anyones healthcare problems in the first place.

 

Major Debacle

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Obama won twice...so there's that

 

We did not vote on obamacare.  If we had, it clearley would have lost.  Still you must admit.  He is a piss poor leader.  Now, I am not going to discuss this with you anymore.  When I frustrate you, you ban me with out warning.

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Pass a law that over 50% of the people oppose. That's is poor leadership. This is what you get when you have no leadership.


This is a recycled anti Civil Rights Act argument btw.

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Socialism is grand. Have fun paying double or triple for your healthcare. Democrats aka socialist will be the ruin of this country no doubt about it.

 

welcome to the tinderbox, you'll fit right in here

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Socialism is grand. Have fun paying double or triple for your healthcare. Democrats aka socialist will be the ruin of this country no doubt about it.

 
Tell that to the rest of the civilized world and they will laugh at your statement.
 
Here are the top seven nations when it comes to healthcare costs. 

 

[spoiler]Note: Every socialist country pays substantially less than what Americans do for their health care.[/spoiler]
  

Motley Fool's 7 Countries With the Highest Health Care Costs

By Keith Speights
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"Price is what you pay. Value is what you get." These words spoken by Warren Buffett come to mind when looking at how much people across the world pay for health care.
Are the nations that pay much more for health care than others also getting commensurately more value? Let's look at the seven countries with the highest health care costs among the 34 member nations of the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development, or OECD.
7. Denmark
Danes pay greatly for health care when compared to other countries. Denmark spends 11.1% of the country's GDP on health care, or around $4,464 per person. However, the country's life expectancy is 79.3 years, below the OECD average of 79.8.

6. Switzerland
The Alps aren't the only things reaching lofty heights in Switzerland. The nation spends 11.4% of its GDP on health care, high enough to claim the No. 6 spot on our list. Switzerland's per capita spending of $5,270 ranks third-highest among all OECD countries. The Swiss might be getting a good return on this spending, though. The nation's life expectancy of 82.6 ranks as the second-highest of all OECD nations after Japan.

5. Canada
Canada stands as the second-largest country in the world in terms of geographical area, but it also has relatively large health care costs. Canadians spend 11.4% of GDP on health care. The country's $4,445 per capita in medical spending ranks seventh-highest among OECD nations. Canadians have a life expectancy of 80.8 years, one year more than the OECD average.

4. Germany
Germany is Europe's greatest economic powerhouse, with a sizable portion of that economic power directed toward health care. German spending on health care comprises 11.6% of its GDP and totals $4,338 per person. The German life expectancy of 80.5 years exceeds the OECD average but only ranks 20th among the 34 OECD member nations.

3. France
France also spends 11.6% of its GDP on health care, but edges Germany in our ranking. French medical-related spending amounts to $3,974 per person. On the positive side, though, France boasts the ninth-highest life expectancy in the OECD at 81.3 years.

2. Netherlands
Healthcare isn't exactly a Dutch treat. The Netherlands spends 12% of its GDP -- $5,056 per capita -- on medical costs. The country ties Canada for 13th place among OECD members with a life expectancy of 80.8 years.

1. United States
As you probably expected, Americans are No. 1 -- unfortunately, in an area where we'd prefer to rank lower. The U.S. spends a staggering 17.9% of its GDP on health care. That's $8,680 per person -- 61% higher than the next-highest nation. However, Americans' life expectancy of 78.7 years places 27th among OECD members and is over a year less than the OECD average


http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2013/06/15/7-countries-with-the-highest-health-care-costs.aspx

 

 

 

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WE'RE ALREADY PAYING FOR IT!!!! We pay triple the price of regular care for every uninsured person that goes to the ER for a cold when they could have gone to their GP for a sick visit and a prescription. People will be more likely to get preventative care now that they can afford it. If everyone has access to decent medical care, we won't have as many 500 lb. diabetics in the first place!

 

You sound as if you still buy into the original propaganda.  Do you really believe your health care will cost YOU less (do you work/) and your health care is going to be better now?

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As we all know, the US Government is the most efficient, well oiled machine going today.  We pay $1200 for a flashlight and call it an emergency lighting system, we pay dead people for years without ever knowing they have passed.  We have fraud dripping from every program. 

 

Then, it is natural to have a bloated, non efficient, can't get out of its own way government to take over the healthcare system in America.  We know already that we have nothing to fear like coercement and privacy issues from our government, they would never do that.  And they say they are doing this for our good and to SAVE money.  Yep, bank it.  Big savings coming your way from the same folks that bring us all the other penny pinching programs like USPS.

 

The wonderful, awe inspiring website for the Obamacare is a microcosm of what you will see.  They paid hundreds of millions of dollars for a relic of a site that does not work.  634 million to be exact.  This is just the start of the good things you can expect from your government.  Pay more, get exponentially less.

 

But hey, you can soon rule over an electorate by rationing things or at least by threatening such.  As long as you can manipulate the public and have them need you and vote to keep in office, no price is too high.

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This is a recycled anti Civil Rights Act argument btw.

 

I find it thought provoking that you would compare a law that championed freedoms to a law that takes away freedoms futher inslaves us.

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