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#51 bleys

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 01:47 PM

I'll look for the other thread.

I came up with jax, browns, minny, philly, and maybe tb.

 

here ya go.. 

 

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#52 footballisasport

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 02:10 PM

I like them both .

 

One is alwasy being made a scape-goat for his team's struggles despite the obvious and the other one isn't.

 

They both have very similiar styles of playing.

 

 



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Posted 09 October 2013 - 02:15 PM

Giants would take that trade in a heartbeat.  Eli is 32 years old.  He has what, maybe 3 good years left?

 

are you counting this season?

 

 

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 02:21 PM

To reiterate there is no agenda here. I don't need any of you to agree with me about cam or anything else. I wanted to get an honest response to just how legit these excuses are. Try to remove yourself for a moment. Your fandom. Your homerism. Your company lines.

Are the excuses legit beyond reproach? Or are they legit beyond reproach in Charlotte.

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Posted 09 October 2013 - 03:10 PM

To reiterate there is no agenda here. I don't need any of you to agree with me about cam or anything else. I wanted to get an honest response to just how legit these excuses are. Try to remove yourself for a moment. Your fandom. Your homerism. Your company lines.

Are the excuses legit beyond reproach? Or are they legit beyond reproach in Charlotte.


Bear with me because im on my phone. People around here know im a big Cam supporter and im frustrated with the playcalling, the coaching staff, the inability to build the oline somewhat around him and his lack of weapons (i didnt see smitty losing this much step in the offseason). But after reading from credible posters who are questioning Cam, I sat back and really thought about what the best interest of this organization is. I believe you have said you want to move on from him. Not 100% sure.

I tried to look at the present and the future and what our best options are. I looked at Cam's weaknesses and strenghths, how this franchise helped or negated those strenghts and weaknesses and whether I though Cam had the work ethic, the mental capacity and the leadership to lead this team to the super bowl.

Cam does have problems reading defenses. But its not that he cant read defenses period. If you look at the past 10 games before the Cardinals he was 22 td and 4 picks. That is impossible to do if you cant read defenses. A lot of what we have here is just opinion through observation. We are not in the film room, at the practices or on the sidelines. From what ive seen he does have problems with some defensive looks and knowing to audible out of certain plays. That can be taught. Whether you think he is willing or able to learn you and I will never know. Ive seen progress, then disaster, then more progress, then disaster.

When you have a kid that is growing and learning having O-line troubles makes things ten times worse looking then they are. Even on some of those blitz in the Cards game you saww lineman and rbs miss blocks.

if this coaching staff and GM know Cams flaws what have they done to help assist him? Nothing. DG took a major hit in my opinion of him because of it. If we wanna build around Cam we need a solid o-line and big WRs because of Cam's innacuracies. And most importantly we need an offensive coach who can hide his weaknesses and bring out all his positives (speed, elusiveness and big play ability because of his arm strenghth). We can either start building around Cam or look elsewhere. Do the positives outweight the weaknesses? Does starting from scratch and finding a new qb help us in the long run instead of building weapons that play to his strenghths? Which is a more calculated risk?

I think we know what we have in Cam, ive seen flashes of brilliance and flashes of ineptitude. We need a coaching staff that can get that jekyll and hyde straightened out. Because to me the odds we make the super bowl the quickest and easiest path is to believe in Cam and build on his strenghths and try to minimize or hide his weaknesses. It is a whole organizational and team effort. Cam can be superman if this organization believes and wants him to be.

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Posted 10 October 2013 - 07:42 PM

heh



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Posted 10 October 2013 - 08:05 PM

Cam hasn't been consistent enough to warrant the benefit of the doubt, which is why he has become under question from more and more fans/outlets.

 

There is another trend that Cam has been tied to that is worth paying attention to.

Who was the OC when DA had his best year(s)?

Who was the OC when Cam had the best rookie year ever?

Who the fug was Hoyer before Chud took over?

 

QBs tend to look good under a certain former scapegoat.

 

 



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Posted 10 October 2013 - 08:07 PM

I swear Eli teachers 1st grade the way he throwing pick sixes.



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Posted 10 October 2013 - 08:09 PM

I swear Eli teachers 1st grade the way he throwing pick sixes.

 

I don't think he teachers anything

 

 

Plus Shaub has everyone beat on the pick sixes.



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Posted 10 October 2013 - 08:12 PM

Cam has regressed in his development. If you are the Giants you should be damn sure it's all because of coaching.

Thats just not the truth...at all




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