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The Problem with "Rudys"

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I believe your spot on about the soft spot he has for rudys.

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Yea....Rivera is a shitty coach....we know this man.

 

Evaluate Talent? nope (see Fua)

Game Plan Well? nope

Adjustments? nope

Calls stupid timeouts? yup

Discipline? nope (hey another flag)

 

I honestly don't think the players really respect him or his abilities.

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I think it's safe to say the vast majority of this board has strongly negative feelings about Julius Peppers.  And to some degree, those may be justified (not really gonna get into that here).

 

But if we're being realistic, when you have a choice between a Julius Peppers - super talented, but maybe not the most motivated guy in the world - and, let's say, a Wes Horton or a Mario Addison - not as talented, but giving it all they've got all the time - the vast majority of coaches are going to take Peppers.

 

Mind you, that's an oversimplified comparison/example, but you get the general idea.

 

 

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I think it's safe to say the vast majority of this board has strongly negative feelings about Julius Peppers (and to some degree, those may be justified).

 

But if we're being realistic, when you have a choice between a Julius Peppers (super talented, but maybe not the most motivated guy in the world) and, let's say, an Antwan Applewhite (not as talented, but gives it all he has) the vast majority of coaches are going to take Peppers.

 

Mind you, that's an oversimplified example, but you get the general idea.

 

I liked Applewhite, hah.

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I liked Applewhite, hah.

 

I switched my examples up after you quoted me :lol:

 

 

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I switched my examples up after you quoted me :lol:

 

Nice.

 

I think even those guys shine in our system though. Eric Washington is amazingly good at developing talent on that line.

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I'd add one thing...

 

Some are gonna take this as an endorsement of the notion that character doesn't matter.  That's simply not true.  There are reasons you don't fill your team with criminals, thugs  and locker room cancers.  On a practical level, those guys are generally stupid, irresponsible and often do as much harm as good.  Major character flaws should still be avoided, especially those related to criminal/violent behavior.

 

But setting those things aside, you can't always give the starting spot to the "nice guy"' or the guy who's "doing his best".

 

It's a sad truth in the NFL that sometimes the guy who's best for the job might be a bit of an ass, but if you don't want your ass sitting at home watching the playoffs, you put that guy in.

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Everyone likes the Rudy's.  And if you pick them up for next to nothing then you have nothing lost as long as they don't take up a roster spot for someone else.  But lets be real here.  This is not a decision to take Peppers or a Wes Horton. Peppers was the second pick in the 2002 draft while Horton was a nobody we got as a UDFA.  No one would pick him over Peppers, that is ridiculous. At least your comparison to Fua compares a third rounder to the best player in the draft in 2002.  Not a strong comparison but at least a drafted guy.

 

As for Bell, he was never picked up as a starter, he was designated as depth but due to injury he was thrust in a starting role when Otah couldn't play.  The fact he is still starting at this point could be due to being a favorite or more likely because we haven't found anyone better.  Truth is that Gettleman is really the culprit there.  If he is such a great judge of talent and knows linemen like he does, then why didn't we draft a right tackle or at least pick a strong free agent in that position?  If the answer is that there were no guys better than Bell when we picked in the third or fourth round and that we were so cap strapped we couldn't afford anyone better, then that is your answer.  It wasn't a Rudy situation at all but the best guy we could find on the cheap or when we deemed it that important to look at right tackles (which is again Gettleman's area)

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I agree with this.

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Gotta be one of the worst thread I've ever read on here!

 

Rivera favors the "RUDYS"????? LMFAO.

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Gotta be one of the worst thread I've ever read on here!

 

Rivera favors the "RUDYS"????? LMFAO.

 

I mean I like their brisket ok, but there's better in town. 

 

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