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#46 Dollar Store Dave

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Posted 14 October 2013 - 10:32 AM

How could you not be a fan of a guy that basically averages a top 10 offensive unit? 

 

I know the FO is not gonna pick the coordinator separately. 

 

Even though I disagree with that philosophy. 

 

Obviously the most proven / talented guy will help our team to win the best. Regardless of past ties. 

 

Sadly HC's do not attempt to get the "best" guy. Instead they go for their buddies or people they have connections with. 

 

I am merely throwing out who I think would make the best realistic (if we wanted him) OC option. 

 

Not who is most likely to be hired. 

 

>Not who is most likely to be hired

>realistic

 

um, okay?

 

Sure, he has really good stats, but his offenses never win when it matters. The Ravens fired him, ended up making a push to (and winning) the Super Bowl.

 

San Diego never accomplished anything in the playoffs with him at the helm (and Norv Turner helping call plays).

 

How about the fact that, during his stint as a head coach, he never finished with a winning record. Anywhere. Not in college. Not with Miami.

 

Again, I didn't say the guy wasn't good. He is decent. I'm just not a fan of him.



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Posted 14 October 2013 - 10:33 AM

Isn't he the guy that got booted in favor or Jim Caldwell in Balt- that ended up saving their season and leading to the SB?

 

That Cam Cameron?

 

That would be the one.



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Posted 14 October 2013 - 10:42 AM

How else are you gonna judge a coordinator if not by his results coordinating?

Or simply put, what is the better gauge for measuring an OC?


Start with having the intricate knowledge of the game that the coaches who have spent their life involved with it have. Take into consideration style and philosophy, previous familiarity and the systems compatibility with the players you want to build around.

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Posted 14 October 2013 - 10:45 AM

>Not who is most likely to be hired

>realistic

 

um, okay?

 

Sure, he has really good stats, but his offenses never win when it matters. The Ravens fired him, ended up making a push to (and winning) the Super Bowl.

 

San Diego never accomplished anything in the playoffs with him at the helm (and Norv Turner helping call plays).

 

How about the fact that, during his stint as a head coach, he never finished with a winning record. Anywhere. Not in college. Not with Miami.

 

Again, I didn't say the guy wasn't good. He is decent. I'm just not a fan of him.

 

Realistic as in we could realistically hire him if we wanted to. Coaching college, from NC, etc. 

 

Not realistic as in who I think JR / new HC will hire. 

 

Two different angles / measures of the word "realistic". 

 

There are so many factors that play into winning in the playoffs. 

 

The only one thing a OC has control over is offense / scoring points, for which Cameron averaged basically a top 10 unit. 

 

What he did as a HC is irrelevant as coordinating and HCing are two different things and we wouldnt hire him as a HC to being with. 

 

Again, I am asking who do you think is a better OC that CAR could realistically hire next year if the FO/HC wanted them?



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Posted 14 October 2013 - 10:47 AM

Start with having the intricate knowledge of the game that the coaches who have spent their life involved with it have. Take into consideration style and philosophy, previous familiarity and the systems compatibility with the players you want to build around.

 

How exactly does one measure this? 

 

All I know is the dude knows offenses, produces top 10 units, and helps develop QBs. 



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Posted 14 October 2013 - 10:55 AM

Based Ricky proehl or bust.

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Posted 14 October 2013 - 11:01 AM

How exactly does one measure this? 

 

All I know is the dude knows offenses, produces top 10 units, and helps develop QBs. 

 

 

I'm suggesting that picking the right coordinator is not something that should be done based off a measurement.



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Posted 14 October 2013 - 11:32 AM


Again, I am asking who do you think is a better OC that CAR could realistically hire next year if the FO/HC wanted them?

 

Who do we hire as HC?

 

It's hard to specify who I think we could realistically hire without knowing who the regime is. It's almost impossible to say, actually. Are you saying who could we hire as a candidate? Well fug dude, we could hire almost anyone we wanted to. It is a capitalistic country, and employees flock to the highest bidder.



#54 Dash Global

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Posted 14 October 2013 - 11:54 AM

Who do we hire as HC?

 

It's hard to specify who I think we could realistically hire without knowing who the regime is. It's almost impossible to say, actually. Are you saying who could we hire as a candidate? Well fug dude, we could hire almost anyone we wanted to. It is a capitalistic country, and employees flock to the highest bidder.

 

This isnt hard man. 

 

Of potential OC's, who are better candidates than Cameron?

 

NFL HC's & NFL OC's are n/a for obvious reasons. Unless of course you imagine them to be getting fired soon. 



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Posted 14 October 2013 - 11:58 AM

This isnt hard man. 

 

Of potential OC's, who are better candidates than Cameron?

 

NFL HC's & NFL OC's are n/a for obvious reasons. Unless of course you imagine them to be getting fired soon. 

 

Why are NFL OCs off limits and not college OCs? Who says he wants to leave? Dude, you're asking a question with thousands of variables, and asking me to give you an answer to a question you can't even ask.



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Posted 14 October 2013 - 12:09 PM

I'd rather take Les as a head coach before Cam Cameron as OC or HC...



That being said, I hate your idea cause of love Les and Cam Cameron where they are now...cause, you know, I'm biased.  



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Posted 14 October 2013 - 12:10 PM

Why are NFL OCs off limits and not college OCs? Who says he wants to leave? Dude, you're asking a question with thousands of variables, and asking me to give you an answer to a question you can't even ask.

 

Going from College OC to NFL OC is a upward / promotion the same way as going from a College HC to NFL HC is. Hence why that would be plausible. 

 

People do not generally make lateral moves ie NFL HC to NFL HC etc. without first being fired. 

 

Whether someone wants to leave is irrelevant. We are talking about moves that could realistically go down ie guys looking for a promotion, more money, home ties, etc. 

 

Your just ducking and dodging having to come up with a better / more proven OC candidate. 



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Posted 14 October 2013 - 12:34 PM

Going from College OC to NFL OC is a upward / promotion the same way as going from a College HC to NFL HC is. Hence why that would be plausible. 

 

People do not generally make lateral moves ie NFL HC to NFL HC etc. without first being fired. 

 

Whether someone wants to leave is irrelevant. We are talking about moves that could realistically go down ie guys looking for a promotion, more money, home ties, etc. 

 

Your just ducking and dodging having to come up with a better / more proven OC candidate. 

 

Hue Jackson, Kevin Gilbride (who very well could be fired/let go at the end of this season), Kyle Shanahan (who could very easily be let go at the end of the season), etc. There are names out there, but you're trying to make this weird argument where you are disqualifying anyone but your option.

 

Sorry bro, Cam Cameron isn't teh bestest OC evah. Else he would've gotten an NFL interview this past offseason.



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Posted 14 October 2013 - 12:58 PM

Hue Jackson, Kevin Gilbride (who very well could be fired/let go at the end of this season), Kyle Shanahan (who could very easily be let go at the end of the season), etc. There are names out there, but you're trying to make this weird argument where you are disqualifying anyone but your option.

 

Sorry bro, Cam Cameron isn't teh bestest OC evah. Else he would've gotten an NFL interview this past offseason.

 

Finally what ive been asking for from the jump. 

 

Hue Jackson - 19th average offense (3 years as an OC)

Kevin Gilbride - 13.5th average offense (12 years as an OC)

Kyle Shanahan - 16.4th average offense (5 years as an OC)

 

No one said Cameron was the best OC evah. What I am saying is he appears to be the best / hold the best track record of any realistic OC candidates. Two of those guys above your speculating about getting fired btw. Just saying. 

 

Cameron has an average offense of 11.6th. Better than all those guys above. 

 

 



#60 KillaCamNewton

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Posted 14 October 2013 - 01:10 PM

yeah cam cameron was so impressive putting up good numbers with ladanian tomlinson in his prime, antonio gates in his prime, and rivers in his prime -_-

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