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Posted 17 October 2013 - 06:40 PM

You might have a point here if the Colts played in a different division. Schaub is turning into Delhomme, Jacksonville is in full tank for Teddy mode. I guess you're insinuating that Tennessee gets it all figured out when Locker gets back?

Tennessee is no slacks even with fitzpatrick. The texans will also get it back on track.



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Posted 17 October 2013 - 06:44 PM

Doubt there's that much thought put into it.

Frankly, I wouldn't bet on him even knowing what teams are in that division.

I think you're in the insulting mode. I sense that your feeling is hurt. So, Luck is really the last hope, uh? It's a sad way to look at it though. Oh well, stay hurt!



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Posted 17 October 2013 - 06:50 PM

Serious question Red - Why do you feel that there is such a need to defend Cam? Other than the 5% of people that think Cam does everything right and the 5% of trolls that think he can do nothing right, aren't the other 80% just objective people that see the good and bad in him that they want to discuss just like most fanbases?

 

I guess I just don't see the media and fan vendetta against Cam (and the Panthers for that matter) that a fraction of other people see. I know it exists, but it is nothing like some would like to believe for whatever reason.

 

As you know, I am an Eagle fan (and the NFL in general)....I know fan vendetta against a QB and Cam has nothing on what McNabb was up against in Philly and he accomplished quite a bit during his tenure there.

Under a sh!tty environment of course that no human being deserves for just throwing a football. Thanks for killing your own argument though. It's there but it's not there, right? Thanks for playing though.



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Posted 17 October 2013 - 06:56 PM

That was a fair and honest response. I can defintiely see your point of view now. It's obvious that you have a lot to contribute to conversations that go on around here, but sometimes it just seems to be masked by an big need to defend Cam at every turn. I can respect why that is after reading this.

 

As far as Eagle QB's go, I remember Randall Cunningham being loved by most people, at least by the people that could see past the color of his skin. He was entertaining and one hell of an athlete. Then again, if Al Gore had invented the internet back then he could have been hated as much as McNabb was. I remember watching Jaws play but was too young to get a handle or remember what people thought about him but I think he was disliked by many also. I won't get into Vick because that is layered with many different things both on and off the field.  Philly is a "different" place and their fans are "different" as well and the only thing I will defend about them is their passion. Most of the time that passion is misdirected unfortunately. Andy Reid took just as much heat as McNabb did if not more at times and I am sure those people are a bit more quiet now seeing what he has done in KC.

 

For the record, I hope all the young QB's succeed. Cam, Luck, Kaep, Dalton, Tannehill and even RGIII. It makes the league much more entertaining when there is quality competition on the field. There was nothing better than to watch Aikmen, Irvin, Emitt Smith, and co. come to town eventhough I knew they were going to kick the Eagles a$$ most likely.

 

 I will say that out of that list,  Luck and Cam seem to have the "it" factor to take over the helm once the Mannings, Rodgers, and Brees' of the league leave. I'll take the "it" factor over stats any day of the week and twice on Sundays. Cam has come along way when it comes to that this year compared to the last two and I think he would be the first person to admit that was something he needed to work on.   

 

Anyway, good response and hopefully for everyone's sake Cam can prove his doubters wrong and the focus can one day get to something more productive. Winning fixes everything and this will be no different once it happens. It wil be a win / win for everyone.

Being an eagle fan and all, why are you commenting on a panthers forum? Just curious. It feels so unnecessary.



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Posted 17 October 2013 - 07:49 PM

I could not have put it better. And this the reason I created this thread. I wanna know the answer to those questions. Until I do, I will keep updating it. If I'm not seeing it on the football field from Luck maybe some of supporters can give us an answer. Picture speads louder than word, for Christ's sake. As of right now, Luck is not even making NFL throws. That is pathetic. He is throwing 5 yard passes and once or twice a game he heaves it to Hilton to the left corner of the endzone safely where the ball either hit out of bound or he makes a spectacular catch to put on Sportscenter. In fact, watch the game, if you can, on Sunday against Denver, he is gonna attempt that exact throw again.

 

I know he has family lineage in the NFL but the way they're going about supporting him is kind of extreme. They're making a mockery out of the sport. The dude is not every physically gifted in anyway while playing a very violent sport and they're shoving that garbage in our face. Garbage like that is a disrespect to the truly gifted players like Calvin Johnson and AJ Green. This is pathetic and an embarrassment. And when that talentless fool fails I'm sure they gonna blame the OC and get him fired. Get your pop corn ready, sir!

 

I was watching NFLN this morning and can't believe the load of BS they are selling us about Luck. I am completely disappointed with them trying to convince folks that the Colts was some struggling team before Luck came along. Let's be real, the team tanked it's 2011 season to get Luck. Anyone believe otherwise is foolish. They never had a decent QB and considering what the Owner is now stating, one shouldn't be surprised.

 

I have nothing against Luck but I fault those who seem to love dictating to us how we should see these players. All these so called Chosen QBs should be treated like the ones who are not so Chosen. Especially if they were drafted at number one. Why should Cam be anymore scrutinized and his every actions nit-picked because he was drafted at # 1, but Luck, who was also picked at # 1, is quietly getting the necessary help he needs to transition into a better NFL QB. We should be able to nitpick and scrutinize Luck the same way, especially since he's so chosen.



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Posted 17 October 2013 - 08:02 PM

We'll see about it that.


:lol: Perfect


I think you're in the insulting mode. I sense that your feeling is hurt. So, Luck is really the last hope, uh? It's a sad way to look at it though. Oh well, stay hurt!


Hurt? Nah.

Amused? Highly B)

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Posted 18 October 2013 - 12:37 AM

Was just watching the Chiefs vs Raiders game, it's amazing how uncannily similar Luck and Alex Smith are. They seem to both like to run around, although they're going nowhere particularly. They're not particularly patient waiting for the play to develop. And both the colts and chiefs are very similar. Very good running game, top notch WRs(which the QBs can't take advantage of) and very good defense to keep the game close.

 

If the Colts or Chiefs can't take advantage of the weapons they have right now, I don't really see what they need to take their team to the next level besides QB play. That's why I predict the Colts will always be a good team with an average game manager QB that can't take them to the next level and will eventually crash down like the Texans with Schaub. Sorry for Wayne, they'll at some point blame it on his age and inability to get wide open so Luck can inaccurately throw it in his vicinity. Richardson is not in the clear either, they'll also blame it on lack of running game too. And of course the OL for not able to give luck a whole minute to stand in the pocket.

 

And all these blaming will start next year as Jacksonvillve will get better with their new QB and won't be easy win anymore. The Titans will be stout and the Texans will get it together. So the weak link in that division will be the Colts with Andrew Luck. Plus they gave up their 1st round pick this year thinking they're gonna be a playoffs team. Poor Luck!



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Posted 18 October 2013 - 12:53 AM

bro honestly you are dumb as hell



#99 TheRed

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Posted 18 October 2013 - 12:55 AM

There's no way that's a real person.



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Posted 18 October 2013 - 04:26 AM

Add me to the list of "yes please". Cam has everything it takes to be a great QB from what I can tell. He hasn't handled adversity as well as he could have the last two years because he isn't accustom to losing at all. No fault of his, he just has never really had to deal with it in his young career until recently.

He is learning to deal with it as the Panther organization is (hopefully) working on putting the pieces together around him to succeed. If for some reason the two don't come together, I think he would have great success in Philly. Chip Kelly may not survive in Philly and Cam may not survive in Carolina but i can't help but to think if you put those two together, nothing but great things would happen. Pipe dream of course, but hypothetically speaking it would be interesting to see.

 

Obviously we have no idea how Chip and Cam's careers will unfold... but I couldn't help but think how fuging deadly those two would be together after watching the Eagles in preseason and that game against the Skins.  Literally made me sick for a bit we passed up on him as our HC.  Cam is the perfect QB for Chip's system, and it's very similar to what Cam ran at Auburn (from what I understand) when he destroyed the NCAA.

 

You guys are already the 2nd best offense in the league.  You'd be ridiculous with Cam, a QB who actually has nasty open field running moves and built to take a hit--unlike the other mobile QBs.  RG3 and Kaep are fast, but they just seem to be straightline runners instead of juking defenders out their shoes.  

 

Cam is already on a historic pace with a conservative defensive-minded HC... with Chip?  Damn.  Shady, Cam, and Desean would put up video game numbers.



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Posted 18 October 2013 - 08:46 AM

So far the young qbs I'm highly impressed with: Russell Wilson, don't know how his footwork is but any qb who can throw a ball while running and falling and still get the ball to his Receiver is all right in my book, Cam, Colin, and I will even throw in the Bills QB, if he can stay healthy. Luck, IMO, is more slong the line of an Alex Smith but he is no Peyton. No matter how much those in the media hype him.

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Posted 18 October 2013 - 03:40 PM

There's no way that's a real person.

 

 

I'm guessing it's HelloWorld



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Posted 22 October 2013 - 02:36 AM

I was watching NFLN this morning and can't believe the load of BS they are selling us about Luck. I am completely disappointed with them trying to convince folks that the Colts was some struggling team before Luck came along. Let's be real, the team tanked it's 2011 season to get Luck. Anyone believe otherwise is foolish. They never had a decent QB and considering what the Owner is now stating, one shouldn't be surprised.

 

I have nothing against Luck but I fault those who seem to love dictating to us how we should see these players. All these so called Chosen QBs should be treated like the ones who are not so Chosen. Especially if they were drafted at number one. Why should Cam be anymore scrutinized and his every actions nit-picked because he was drafted at # 1, but Luck, who was also picked at # 1, is quietly getting the necessary help he needs to transition into a better NFL QB. We should be able to nitpick and scrutinize Luck the same way, especially since he's so chosen.

I don't know what "help" Andrew Luck is getting that any other QB doesn't get.  They have all QB coaches.  (Even Peyton Manning has had a QB coach every year that he has been in the NFL.) 

 

I do think Luck has benefited (Just like Peyton and Eli) coming from a family who's Father played QB in the NFL. 

 

When Chris Long got drafted Jake asked him if there was anything he teach him or answer.  Chris told his Father, not a da** thing!"  I don't see Andrew, Peyton or Eli ever saying that to their Fathers. 

 

I also think that good players get calls going their way.  (There's a reason Michael Jordan only fouled out of 1 game in his NBA career!)  I think during their heyday, Peyton Manning and Tom Brady had calls go their way.  (Not that Andrew Luck is there.)

 

 

PS: I think it's ludicrous to argue who's a better QB so early in their career.  Just wait until they get to Peyton's and Brady's age/career then argue it. 



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Posted 22 October 2013 - 04:19 AM

Now, back to my point, if luck is not who is going to hold the torch so-called greats like Brady, Manning retiring people do? I believe this is all the luck supporters (not necessarily Colts fans) of the lens to see the world of football. It's like, if there is a place where luck fails, we football the sport. So, those who see it the QB position, which is very worth it, never necessarily meant as a special motion challenges. Will become a sport like football NBA, no lead guard, thermal coal players are allowed in the sports freaks? In short, I can understand why 'media' to hide or delay luck impending failure



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Posted 22 October 2013 - 08:18 AM

Now, back to my point, if luck is not who is going to hold the torch so-called greats like Brady, Manning retiring people do? I believe this is all the luck supporters (not necessarily Colts fans) of the lens to see the world of football. It's like, if there is a place where luck fails, we football the sport. So, those who see it the QB position, which is very worth it, never necessarily meant as a special motion challenges. Will become a sport like football NBA, no lead guard, thermal coal players are allowed in the sports freaks? In short, I can understand why 'media' to hide or delay luck impending failure

 

I've read this post 6 times and still have no clue what the question/point is.




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