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"Luke Kuechly defines what a freak is."

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Willis did not run a 4.3 at the combine he was clocked in the 4.3s at his pro day which are always inaccurate.

Willis combine 40 time 4.51

Kuechly combine 40 time 4.58

In fact that's the one of two combine tests Willis has keek beat in.. Look it up. The other being vertical leap (Willis 39 keek 38)

Keuchly did more reps at bench 27 to 22

Faster 3 cone, 20 yard dash, 20 yard shuttle, broad jump and 60 yard shuttle if Willis is an athletic freak so is Keuchly..

If you would've continued reading you would've saved yourself a lot of typing.

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Hardest Hitter: probably between Davis and Mike Mitchell

Best Tackler: definitely Kuechly, best technique of anyone on the team

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you all do realize Thomas Davis and Kuechly are pretty much the same athletically right? And apparently pretty much neck and neck with Willis too...

Kuechly is white though... knock a few points for that.

Not sure if serious, Thomas was a SAFETY coming from college, and moved to linebacker in the pros. Thomas is one of the best coverage linebackers to play the game, also an extremely hard-hitter. Kuechly being white has nothing to do with it. Davis came back from THREE ACL tears and wears a fuging knee brace while not losing a step. That is a freak.

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Willis vs Luke combine:

 

Willis

ht 6-1

wt 242

40 low 4.48 40 time 4.51

20 yard 2.62

10 yard 1.53

225 lb bench 22

vertical 39

broad jump 9-11

20 yard shuttle 4.46

3 cone 7.23

 

Luke

ht 6-3

wt 242

40 low 4.49 40 time 4.58

20 yard 2.59

10 yard 1.56

225 lb bench 27

vertical 38

broad jump 10-3

20 yard shuttle 4.12

3 cone 6.92

 

Zod is right...  Keek is more of a freak than I had previously considered...

 

I always considered Vernon Davis to be one of the all-time athletic freaks...

 

These are his #'s:

 

Vernon Davis
 
ht - 6'3"
wt - 254
40 low - 4.38
20 yard - 2.59
10 yard - 1.51
225lb bench - 33
vertical - 42.0
broad jump - 10'8"
20 yard shuttle -  4.17
3 cone - 7.00
 
 
Keek is definitely an elite athlete.

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Not sure if serious, Thomas was a SAFETY coming from college, and moved to linebacker in the pros. Thomas is one of the best coverage linebackers to play the game, also an extremely hard-hitter. Kuechly being white has nothing to do with it. Davis came back from THREE ACL tears and wears a fuging knee brace while not losing a step. That is a freak.

So is Kuechly. Only difference is he's white.

Safety says what exactly? Their speed is the same, Kuechly is a little bigger.

If you want to harp on ACL tears, I get it but that doesn't detract from Kuechly at all. But if that's a sticking point, people talk about Willis in the same light.. Kuechly is every bit of a freak as Willis..

Apples to apples comparisons of course...

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If you look up TD's combine #'s, Keek's are better except for the 20 yard shuttle and TD didn't bench (or at least it isn't listed) but I suspect with TD coming out of school as a safety he wasn't as strong as he is now.

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So is Kuechly. Only difference is he's white.

Safety says what exactly? Their speed is the same, Kuechly is a little bigger.

If you want to harp on ACL tears, I get it but that doesn't detract from Kuechly at all. But if that's a sticking point, people talk about Willis in the same light.. Kuechly is every bit of a freak as Willis..

Apples to apples comparisons of course...

I'd like to know if you truly believe Luck is athletic as Newton because they have similar combine numbers. Not saying Luck isn't, but is actually the athlete Cam is?

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Btw, you can say Cam is a lot faster than what his combine numbers show, and you could say the same for Davis.

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I'd like to know if you truly believe Luck is athletic as Newton because they have similar combine numbers. Not saying Luck isn't, but is actually the athlete Cam is?

Cam had about 20lbs more weight... but its nearly impossible to claim one is and the other isn't when pointing to exactly the same physical attributes as I would comparisons to Davis, Kuechly, and Willis..

And I don't need to say those things in your second post since that would be foolish.

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Man, I love the multiquote button.

Mel Kiper on Sport Center debating with Todd McShay and Colin Cowherd on greatest physical freak.  Wish I could find the video.

You didn't need the video. This thread took off without it.

 

 

I love Keek, and he's arguably the best MLB right now, but I've never really thought of him as a physical freak...  

 

He's more of a combo of athleticism and football acumen to me...

Smooth, that is it. Throwing that 250lbs around under controlled rage. He is one of the biggest guys on the field, yet he plays with a grace that belies his athletic ability.

He looks so good, because he is that good. Great athlete with maven skills. Freak to me.

Thomas Davis is more of a freak than Kuechly imo. Even at 30.

Good enough to me. The only difference to me is that Thomas is a full grown beast. Luke is still developing. Next camp he will show up fully grown. That Keek is going to be a beast. Right now TD is Alpha, next year Keek starts his rein.

I had an ex girlfriend that was a real freak.  In a good way.

I met one of those 20+ years ago. Been together since the day we met. I really fell lucky to be alive. Maybe that is why I'm so optimistic. Just glad to be alive.

 

 

Darin Gantt most accurately described Thomas Davis IMO....he is too quick and powerful for his body to handle it.

Davis IMO is the most physically talented LB in Panther history.

Luke has has great physical talent....but his instincts and film work make his game special along with the physics aspect

The only thing I would add to the TD/Keek comparison would be the stage of development. TD is a bad man. Keek is going to be a "really" bad man.

 

 

Willis vs Luke combine:

 

Willis

ht 6-1

wt 242

40 low 4.48 40 time 4.51

20 yard 2.62

10 yard 1.53

225 lb bench 22

vertical 39

broad jump 9-11

20 yard shuttle 4.46

3 cone 7.23

 

Luke

ht 6-3

wt 242

40 low 4.49 40 time 4.58

20 yard 2.59

10 yard 1.56

225 lb bench 27

vertical 38

broad jump 10-3

20 yard shuttle 4.12

3 cone 6.92

Somebody has to be "That guy", props for stepping up.

 

 

I think those two are synonymous in this context

 

The media scouting community collectively came when Luke went ruckshaw on Baltimore in preseason this year. There is so much groupthink with stuff like that and everyone was watching. That one strip fumble TD play was enough to cement Luke as a freak.

You are correct sir. Folks were still drooling over last year when Keek balled out on the Ravens. The Legend began.

 

 

Kuechly's brain and fundamentals far outweigh his physical attributes. Same with most MLB's

Boo on you sir. Comparing Keek with every other MLB. Keek be the best, by a wide margin. We talin' HOFer here. If you want to be as good as Keek, you had better be a freak. So hence, by osmosis, Keek be a freak.

 

 

If you have the choice of being hit by Willis, Thomas Davis and Luke 10 times......who would you prefer hit you?   I would imagine that plays into it.  Panther players have specifically talked about the power Thomas Davis can generate in two steps and unleash.  Luke can't do that like Davis.

 

that ability to thump and unleash on someone....factors in to this discussion I would believe.

TD can finish as well as ANYONE. Ain't no denying that. But if Keek hits you, you don't go forward. And Keek brings a bigger pay-load to the equation.

TD be the man. At the moment. Next year, IMO, Keek takes over that role. Or at least in Pantherland. As Keek already be the man around the league.

Still great to have both of em'.

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Btw, you can say Cam is a lot faster than what his combine numbers show, and you could say the same for Davis.

Combine numbers only mean so much....

Football speed and football play is often a different thing

Lots of WRs have great combines....doesn't mean they are the most athletic football players at their positions. Combines have almost turned into a unique science

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Calvin Johnson is a freak. Peppers was a freak.

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