Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

Zod

Tolbert Provides Options

47 posts in this topic

Assuming Stewart comes back OK and the other two stay healthy, none of 'em are gonna get the number of touches they'd like this season. DWill has been tagged the starter and will continue to get most of the carries if he continues to perform. Stewart will have to be game tested to see if his wheels will hold up, and Tolbert is too valuable for the things he can do to get put on the shelf. One of the high priced guys may not be here next season, but it'll be nice to be loaded until then.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

the only way it's that easy to get rid of stewart is if hurney wasn't the cap idiot everyone thought he was.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Zod...buddy, I don't think your cap numbers are right.

 

That said, I'm really sleepy and could be wrong.

 

 

When you release someone you accelerate the cap hit and lose the base salary.

 

 

Releasing Stewy next season would be something towards a 17 million dollar dead money cap hit.

What makes it weird, is he has a 9 million "Option Bonus" in 2014. So it makes the math a little fuzzy

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/carolina-panthers/jonathan-stewart/

 

 

Cutting Tolbert would save like 300K in 2014. Not worth it for the quality he brings IMO.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/carolina-panthers/mike-tolbert/

 

I was talking in terms of base salary only. We are going to pay Stewart's crazy signing bonus regardless. It does get accelerated if we release Stewart but its a pay now or pay later kind of thing. No way around it unfortunately.

 

Remember paying Delhomme all that money when he wasn't even on the team? Ugh.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

#AfterTheSeasonProblems

3 people like this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Zod...buddy, I don't think your cap numbers are right.

 

That said, I'm really sleepy and could be wrong.

 

 

When you release someone you accelerate the cap hit and lose the base salary.

 

 

Releasing Stewy next season would be something towards a 17 million dollar dead money cap hit.

What makes it weird, is he has a 9 million "Option Bonus" in 2014. So it makes the math a little fuzzy

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/carolina-panthers/jonathan-stewart/

 

 

Cutting Tolbert would save like 300K in 2014. Not worth it for the quality he brings IMO.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/carolina-panthers/mike-tolbert/

 

The foundation of this offense is the running game due to dynamics backs & Cams running ability...This gives us multiple option in the run game, especially during 3rd & 4th down conversion and goal line situation = winning games. 

 

We never imagined this off-season that Gettleman would bring us down under the cap like he did. I expect him to work his magic again this year and keep our backfield intact. I think we build on this offense through 2014 draft  (OG,OT, & WR) with elite defense already , we will have elite offense for years! :cam1:

1 person likes this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I was talking in terms of base salary only. We are going to pay Stewart's crazy signing bonus regardless. It does get accelerated if we release Stewart but its a pay now or pay later kind of thing. No way around it unfortunately.

 

Remember paying Delhomme all that money when he wasn't even on the team? Ugh.

 

We paid him the signing bonus, but not the salary. 

 

In terms of saved salary it would be 14 million over 3 years saved, you would save his 2014-15-16 base salaries.  You can even throw in cutting him next season to avoid the 9 million option bonus and maybe make an argument you are saving 23 million over 3 years. BUT.....

 

That doesn't do anything for the 17million in dead money that would hit in 2014. Unless I am understanding this incorrectly Stewart is basically un-cutable (when it comes to cutting for cap savings) until 2016 or so.

2 people like this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Never say never.  I was wrong about Beason not being tradable because of his contract but I think he redid his contract with the intention of the Panthers trading him to a team where he'd start.

 

I don't see Stu willing to do that.  And I see no way we're taking that big a cap hit for him next year and cutting him. 

 

Cutting Tolbert would save us a million but I don't think that savings is worth it.  Keeping Mike.

 

Williams would be the odd man out because of age and his bonus acceleration wouldn't kill us.  We owe him 9.6 we have to buy.  June first cut we'll have 4.8 in dead money in 2014 and 15.  But we'll save 2.2 million by cutting him since 6 million otherwise.

 

I would not be shocked to see all three stay depending on Stew's health but if I had to bet I'd say we've going to have Thunder and bigger Thunder next year.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I don't know who'd I prefer to keep if we had to choose between Stewart and Tolbert. One thing I'm not sold on about Tolbert is his run-blocking ability. I enjoy watching him run and catch passes, though.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Can't we designate him as a 1June cut and break that gmoney down over two years?

 

I think the gmoney would only get accelerated if we traded him.

 

Still, I'd like to see Gettleman figure out this Gordian knot of Hurney's making and keep the Dancing Bear.

 

Man is that guy fun to watch. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Hurney was definitely on drugs when he gave away those deals to Stew, CJ, D-will, and Godfrey. Jesus Christ.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites