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#241 KSpan

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Posted 03 November 2013 - 11:27 AM

 

ok .. so:

1. Either you didn't read this thread and now look like you're incompetent; or

2. You just simply can't read.


.. WHERE in any of those articles does it say Beast was a cancer in the locker room or that he walked into Riv's office after the Giants game asking to be traded?

The closest any of those articles comes to saying anything that even resembles what we have discussed thus far is where it's mentioned Beast said he knew he had talent and could benefit a team somewhere and Carolina made that happen

so you're just gonna add all that to that paragraph? hahaha - nice try

so, again - where's your link? And please do not say NJPanther

 

While I've popped in and out of the thread, no one needs to read 16 pages of posts to fulfill your specific request of providing proof that Beason requested a trade and may have been more negative than the organization lets on.  Since you continue to argue your incorrect point, let's try this again with something a bit more blunt - http://espn.go.com/b...name/jon-beason

 

 

The decision to trade Jon Beason began with an 8 a.m. Thursday conversation between the linebacker and Carolina Panthers coach Ron Rivera at Bank of America Stadium.

During their heart-to-heart, Beason made it clear he could still be viable as a starter even though the Panthers had opted to replace him with Chase Blackburn.

 

By early evening, a deal to move Beason to the winless New York Giants, pending a physical to be taken on Friday in New Jersey, for a late-round draft pick was well in the works.

Rivera would not say whether Beason asked to be traded, but acknowledged the three-time Pro Bowler broached the topic of playing somewhere else. Knowing how proud Beason is, how badly he wants to remain a starter . . . well, you read between the lines.

 

Through it all, Rivera said Beason remained the ultimate professional. As upset as he may have been about things that were being written about him the past few weeks, that never was a factor in the support he gave to the coaching staff and his players -- even the one that replaced him.

 

 

Per Rivera, Beason was completely professional, as fans of his entire career would expect.  I made no assertion about him being a cancer, only that he requested the trade and that if he can admit that he's an MLB at heart, then casual fans need to realize it as well.  However, if you re-read some of the comments in my first link, one could reasonably conclude that Beason harbored some negativity during his final weeks here (http://www.nj.com/gi...ters_wrong.html)

 

 

win/win?

you just admitted the Giant's gamble was "small"

so you're saying a "small" gamble on a former probowl MLB potentially in his prime for a 7th is a win/win? lol

also do you realize there likely will be occasions where we will play the Giants to advance in the playoffs or to win the wildcard?

man - people start getting nasty when they are getting run over and can't find anything else to say - feel better?

 

This second point is subjective and I'm not the one getting nasty - you have simply been proven wrong on Beason asking to be traded, you disagree with those who view Beason's value differently than you, and now are the one calling names.  Yes, getting anything in return for a player who is no longer in an organization's plans and who after 2 full games back following consecutive season-ending injuries *may* only be a shell of their former self is a win.  Yes, getting a player with a glaring recent injury history and having them appear to be healthy and elevate your defense is a big win.  Thus, win-win.



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Posted 03 November 2013 - 11:43 AM


so no one knows if Beason asked to be traded and he was not a locker room problem according to that article ..

.. that's exactly why this trade was not a win/win

.. as I've said throughout this thread - I would've kept Beason rather than trade him for a 7th - he's worth more than that to me on the bench and as a back up - he's not washed up (or a "shell of his former self") and was not a locker room cancer

it's that simple - people that defend this trade to this extent are homers

I admit occasionally I've been accused of being a homer - but not here - do not fool yourself into believing G didn't give his former team a discount - because he did

Beason would've gotten his next year in FA

#243 Mr. Scot

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Posted 03 November 2013 - 04:04 PM

dang Scott - what you sippin' on?

I'm not going to restate for the 100th time what I've already said .. you're getting weaker in each post and honestly I'm kinda disappointed in you

also - I'm still waiting on that "Observer article"

 

Except that what you've said the past '100 times' has been quite blatantly wrong.

 

You've essentially admitted that you can't provide a real world example of someone who would have offered a higher pick for Beason whereas I've demonstrated that the Giants were the only team with a reason to do so. 

 

Despite the evidence, you still insist "somebody" would have.  Not sure where you expect that 'somebody' to come from since we've been able to negate everybody but the Giants, but hey,there's always the trash talk angle to try and distract from your lack of an argument (I see you're already going that route) :unsure:

 

As far as the article...

 

Panthers give Beason a chance to start...for Giants

 

 

Beason met with Rivera on Thursday morning and told him he still wanted to be a starter. Rivera informed him the Panthers were sticking with Blackburn, and Beason broached the subject of playing elsewhere.

“I said I know I have value,” Beason told the New York Daily News. “I know somewhere else could use me, and they made it happen.”

 

 

Any questions?



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Posted 03 November 2013 - 04:09 PM

No, you still don't understand what I'm saying. Go back and read my posts and try again. I'm saying we got the bad end of the deal. Because guess what? We did. No matter how you look at it, we did. Throw out the feel good "Beason wanted it and now he's happy" and just consider two things: Jon Beason vs 7th rounder. Ask any GM in the league whether they'd rather have Jon Beason NOW, not even before the injury, or a 7th rounder. Considering those GMs might find a decent backup out of a 7th rounder once in every 5 years, I guarantee you they'd rather have Jon Beason.

 

Would they give more than a 7th for him? Maybe not, but that's not the point I'm trying to say. I'm weighing the two things, Beason on the bench/in on our 3-4 looks/even as an OLB or a 7th round pick that almost always gets cut after a year or two.

 

Dude, ya gotta come up with a better answer than "Because we just did!  No matter how you look at it,we did!" with no actual evidence to support your argument.

 

Worth is defined by what someone will pay for something.  You can't admit no one will give more than a 7th but still say "he's worth more".  That's self-contradiction.

 

As mentioned before, you either have to make it work in the real world or you have no argument.
 



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Posted 03 November 2013 - 04:40 PM

Dude, ya gotta come up with a better answer than "Because we just did!  No matter how you look at it,we did!" with no actual evidence to support your argument.

 

Worth is defined by what someone will pay for something.  You can't admit no one will give more than a 7th but still say "he's worth more".  That's self-contradiction.

 

As mentioned before, you either have to make it work in the real world or you have no argument.
 

 

For the ten thousandth time, I have yet to say anything about anyone giving us more. Should I try to put it into a different perspective?

 

It's the beginning of the 7th round in the 2014 NFL draft. Jon Beason is put on the board. The Jon Beason of today, post injury, same age, etc etc. Is there a team in the NFL that would pass up Jon Beason in that situation? A player that has proven himself in the past, and while he may not be the same as he was, the upside is clearly there and tangible.

 

Even we would make that selection in the 7th. It has nothing to do with team needs, because if teams drafted solely based on needs, then why did we take Barner or Klein? You go BPA and upside in the mid-late rounds more often than you go based on filling a hole. We would take him, the Giants would take him, the Niners would take him, the Seahawks would take him.

 

I don't care about this realistic situation thing because I never said anything about that. I was simply stating that we didn't get a good deal out of this trade. Jon did, the Giants did, but we did not. He's worth more riding our bench as depth than a 7th. I'm glad he gets to go out and start for the Giants, but I don't understand why everyone is pretending we got a great deal because we got anything at all.

 

And no, I don't have to "make it work in the real world" when my argument has nothing to do with the real world. It is solely refuting the idea that we got a fantastic deal when in reality we got dirt for something worth much more than dirt to both us and other teams.



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Posted 03 November 2013 - 04:43 PM

Worth is defined by what someone will pay for something.  You can't admit no one will give more than a 7th but still say "he's worth more".  That's self-contradiction.

 

Also, that's not right either. Worth can be defined as a couple of different things. Sure, you can value "worth" as how much you can get out of something, but you're overlooking the use value of the commodity, which in this case is Jon Beason's usefulness on our bench OR to another team as a starter/on their bench. His use value is higher than that of even some of the best 7th rounders.

 

And then there is worth in terms of exchange value, a commodity for another commodity. And once again, Jon Beason is worth more to us or any other team than what we get in exchange, a 7th rounder that will be cut within a couple of years nine times out of ten.



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Posted 03 November 2013 - 04:44 PM

He's gone, move on cry babies.


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