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Why our run D will win or lose this game

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Brandon Weeden....yeah, even Weeden grades out by PFF better than Kapernick this year (and that is overall grade and Kapernick has rushing to bring up his grades and it is still in the gutter). Kapernick of course has his moments but talk about being overrated thanks to your team around you. A little surprised the media chooses to look at the glass half full always with this kid.

I mean, you don't ever hear the media talk of a 2nd year slump (they have always lumped him in with the rookies).....his play has been significantly down after teams have a full season now in the books.

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Didnt know that on his PFFF stuff... but he has looked very good at times and has typically avoided costly mistakes that lose his team the game at least the last 4 or 5 weeks, similar to Cam.

 

I think both guys are explosive and talented and I don't think looking at Kap's stats reflects his ability.

 

 

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49ers can say what they want about choosing to run.....and that lowering passing stats but PFF simply looks at how good you are when you do it. Kapernick has been bad. National media would want Newton benched out of fear he could derail the teams chances. The media is comical.

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If they were losing the media would be on him.
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I believe it's our offensive line

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Sigh....I am nervous about this game, gotta stop the run at all cost. Media hype and all. Stop Gore, and our chances of winning are so much more. (Hey that rhymed).
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having manningham back will be huge for kaep. i wouldn't be so excited to see him chuck it.

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Downplay the 49ers Run Game if you want to, We'd like it even more if you do :D

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Downplay the 49ers Run Game if you want to, We'd like it even more if you do :D


Uhhh we're doing the exact opposite...
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Downplay the 49ers Run Game if you want to, We'd like it even more if you do :D

Might want to read again....I wasn't downplaying it. I was pointing out Kapernick's play has been poor.

So as the point of the thread was....if we can stop the run and make you pass.....our odds of winning are pretty dang good IF we can do that. Hence why our run D would win or lose the game.
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I don't think there is any doubt as to the strategy we take.  49ers running game is better than the passing game.  Shut down the run, and force Kaep to pass. Same thing we did to Seattle.  I HIGHLY doubt that Kaep can make the same insane plays that Wilson was able to, though [granted, that one throwaway luckily found a Seattle receiver].

 

If we do that and Cam can handle those intermediate throws while avoiding the pass rush and also dropping one or two deep, we win the game.  I still think it will be close.

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Learned something this week, 49er fans just like Cowboy fans. I wonder how "many" became fans once they made it to the Super Bowl? A lot of Bandwagoners out there.

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We can't let kaepernick run for first downs and extend drives if we want to win

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We can't let kaepernick run for first downs and extend drives if we want to win


Worry about Hardy more than CJ not being disciplined on the read for some reason....

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Davis has to spy.

Our Dline isn't going to allow poo.

Kaep will be forced to throw and when our pressure is too much he will take off.

We gotta be ready for that or it will be the early Mike Vick years all over again.

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If they were losing the media would be on him.

 

this.

 

newton had an off game against the falcons and no one has said a word.

 

a win streak will do that every time.

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Posted originally in the wrong topic....just my thoughts...We should gash San Fran between the tackles....they give up just over 4 yds per rush....keep our nice stable of backs rotating with fresh legs and keep kappernickel the elf off the field and we will be fine....keep controlling the clock...long 10-11 play drives that end in points, wear down their front seven and when that safety creeps up into the box let ginn take out his frustrations .....on d we should take a page out of the ravens playbook and have hardy, Johnson and Davis hit kap EVERY time he even hints at a read option put him on his ass...star and dwan need to have a good game to keep from getting shuffled down on those zone reads and let keek roam free.....we can't let Vernon Davis do what tony g did to us in the first half last week....there will be big plays both ways...the team that keeps an even head and responds will win....let's hope San Fran takes us lightly and we come out and smack them in the mouth....I'm going with 21-17 panthers
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Kaep is a decent passer but he's been average this year. I'm not scared of his arm and accuracy if he's contained in the pocket. If he runs, Mitchell, Davis and Hardy will kindly remind him why we're being called 'a nasty bunch'. Let's see how many hits he can endure. We're not The Packers.

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Posted originally in the wrong topic....just my thoughts...We should gash San Fran between the tackles....they give up just over 4 yds per rush....keep our nice stable of backs rotating with fresh legs and keep kappernickel the elf off the field and we will be fine....keep controlling the clock...long 10-11 play drives that end in points, wear down their front seven and when that safety creeps up into the box let ginn take out his frustrations .....on d we should take a page out of the ravens playbook and have hardy, Johnson and Davis hit kap EVERY time he even hints at a read option put him on his ass...star and dwan need to have a good game to keep from getting shuffled down on those zone reads and let keek roam free.....we can't let Vernon Davis do what tony g did to us in the first half last week....there will be big plays both ways...the team that keeps an even head and responds will win....let's hope San Fran takes us lightly and we come out and smack them in the mouth....I'm going with 21-17 panthers


I hope we see 28 early and often between the tackles....

I think 34 could do better late than early
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I hope we see 28 early and often between the tackles....

I think 34 could do better late than early


Throw some Tolbert in the mix here and there I think those LBs and safety's will start questioning whether or not they want to tackle
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Actually I think that our secondary will have to come up big for us to win. If Melvin and Drayton can cover the receivers and our Davis or Kuechly can handle their Davis, it allows our SS to drop in the box as a spy or double Davis on a passing throw. Roles could be reversed with Davis as the spy but the point is that Seattle crunched them do by shutting down the run and denying the big pass play, not doing one or the other.  We can shut down the run.  It is just how many men will that take and what will be left to comprise the pass defense.  If we can stop the run by dropping 7 that would be fantastic.  It would mean that our safeties and linebackers still have to play run first. So the corners and free safety are going to have to be solid in man coverage 1 on 1.  If they play lose zone and we don't get pressure, even Kaepernick will be able to pick us apart.  I wonder if we might run blitz on early downs to try and get stuffs.  I hope we do it some because on a passing play it serves to create a potential sack as well as help you shut down the run.

Of course the best scenario is that we stop it with 4 linemen.  Which could happen if we don't try and get sacks as we maintain our gap integrity and push towards the quarterback but be ready to spring if he rolls out, hands off  or takes off running.  Make him pay every down with hits and pressure until we get in his head.  He might toss us a few.  I agree the run game is critical and how many men we have to consign to that will impact our passing game as well.  But I think we have to shut down the run game especially on third down.  Which means not giving them 3rd and 1 to begin with.

 

 

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Actually I think that our secondary will have to come up big for us to win. If Melvin and Drayton can cover the receivers and our Davis or Kuechly can handle their Davis, it allows our SS to drop in the box as a spy or double Davis on a passing throw. Roles could be reversed with Davis as the spy but the point is that Seattle crunched them do by shutting down the run and denying the big pass play, not doing one or the other. We can shut down the run. It is just how many men will that take and what will be left to comprise the pass defense. If we can stop the run by dropping 7 that would be fantastic. It would mean that our safeties and linebackers still have to play run first. So the corners and free safety are going to have to be solid in man coverage 1 on 1. If they play lose zone and we don't get pressure, even Kaepernick will be able to pick us apart. I wonder if we might run blitz on early downs to try and get stuffs. I hope we do it some because on a passing play it serves to create a potential sack as well as help you shut down the run.
Of course the best scenario is that we stop it with 4 linemen. Which could happen if we don't try and get sacks as we maintain our gap integrity and push towards the quarterback but be ready to spring if he rolls out, hands off or takes off running. Make him pay every down with hits and pressure until we get in his head. He might toss us a few. I agree the run game is critical and how many men we have to consign to that will impact our passing game as well. But I think we have to shut down the run game especially on third down. Which means not giving them 3rd and 1 to begin with.


Well said....mikell and Mitchell are going to have to play extremely discipline and not get sucked up or allow Davis to get up the seams....Starr and dwan need to establish a new line of scrimmage on each snap and clutter up their back field, play gap sound football and pray our oline creates some holes
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stop their run on the way to collapsing the pocket you stop their offense.

 

actually, stopping their running game period stops their offense.

 

can't do that against the panthers offense. sell out to stop the run and we kill you through the air.

 

that said, stopping the run won't be easy.

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Thomas Davis is a pro at covering running Qb's


Add the fact this defense has practiced against arguably the best , fuck it, THE best running QB of all time for months.

Add the fact Luke is gonna game tape the shit out of this douche.

Add the fact that A P & Lynch >>>>>> Gore.


=Blow out.

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