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Danny will be out of the game after the first series vs our defense...

No one runs on the panthers your rt is done for the year so you have a backup going against Charles Johnson..

Gronk is going up against the best two cover linebackers in the nfl.

You guys are so bias and high off of your little winning streak just because you beat a team with a great defense but no offense and a second year qb in Kaepernick that is average without his weapon Vernon Davis and now you are world beaters?  Have not faced a qb all year like Tom Brady except Drew Brees .. but Drew Brees is no Tom Brady.  A swollen hand for weeks, hurt players all around him, chemistry lacking earlier on, new faces and still 7-2.  Now healthy throwing hand, healthy offense around him, chemistry complete and one of his top weapons returning and you guys have no clue.  A great defense is nothing without an offense that cannot put up points when they're in shoot out games..because you ARE NOT going to have a shutdown defense every Sunday or Monday.  And Danny wasn't knocked out of last game, see he survived and burned some *ss while at it.  And you act like our backups years past have not faced an all-pro lineman.  Last year Marcus Cannon went up against J.J Watts twice, and dominated both games.  Is Charles Johnson superior to J.J Watts, I dare you to say he is..  And if Gronk has beaten both Navarro Bowman and Patrick Willis in the past for two touchdowns then why can't he do it against Carolina.  Luke is great, but so is Bowman and Willis.  Great defense vs Great offense in this game, and these days if you don't have a quarterback you don't win it all.  This is an offensive and quarterback driven league now...

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great back to back games for this team that seems to be jelling at the right time... another interesting game will be San Fran vs N.O.... want to see how well they do against a team we shut down

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And here is a list of defensive backs that have been beaten by Aaron Dobson, Kenbrell Thompkins and Danny Amendola

 

Darelle Revis

Antonio Cromartie

Brent Grimes

Ike Taylor

Jarius Byrd

William Moore

Troy Polamalu

DaShon Goldson

Ryan Clark

 

so who is Drayton Florence and Captain Munneryln other than average?  The front seven is great but don't act like your secondary is too...

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Not too early to start spreading the word.

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I feel as if the tide is turning to smack.  Perhaps we should take this to the other forum (aka, let's take it outside).

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You guys are so bias and high off of your little winning streak just because you beat a team with a great defense but no offense and a second year qb in Kaepernick that is average without his weapon Vernon Davis and now you are world beaters?  Have not faced a qb all year like Tom Brady except Drew Brees .. but Drew Brees is no Tom Brady.  A swollen hand for weeks, hurt players all around him, chemistry lacking earlier on, new faces and still 7-2.  Now healthy throwing hand, healthy offense around him, chemistry complete and one of his top weapons returning and you guys have no clue.  A great defense is nothing without an offense that cannot put up points when they're in shoot out games..because you ARE NOT going to have a shutdown defense every Sunday or Monday.  And Danny wasn't knocked out of last game, see he survived and burned some *ss while at it.  And you act like our backups years past have not faced an all-pro lineman.  Last year Marcus Cannon went up against J.J Watts twice, and dominated both games.  Is Charles Johnson superior to J.J Watts, I dare you to say he is..  And if Gronk has beaten both Navarro Bowman and Patrick Willis in the past for two touchdowns then why can't he do it against Carolina.  Luke is great, but so is Bowman and Willis.  Great defense vs Great offense in this game, and these days if you don't have a quarterback you don't win it all.  This is an offensive and quarterback driven league now...

Your great offense is averaging 26 points a game. Our terrible offense is averaging 24.  Your all world quarterback has a rating of 82 and our third year running quarterback has a horrific 88.

 

And then we have all the last year the Patriots did well so they will do it again Monday night this year. Because Gronkowski beat Willis last year it is a no brainer that his injuries mean nothing and he  will score several TDs against us this year.  Meanwhile our crappy tight end, Greg Olsen  who only has 35 catches for 440 catches this year, will sit on his hands and do nothing all game.  

 

And because Marcus Cannon held JJ Watts down last year, he will stop Charles Johnson this year.  Because we all know that the best way to judge this years' team is to see what they did last year.  What kind of crazy logic is that??

 

Truth is the Panthers have a very good offense and a great defense going up against a very good offense and a suspect defense. The whole point of the game is how many points you score versus how many you give up. Right now we score 24 and give up 13 for an 11 point difference.  You guys score 26 but give up 19 for a 7 point difference.   At home we are giving up 9 points a game and scoring 28 for a 19 point difference.  On the road you are scoring 21 and giving up 21 points.  Instead of talking about how you are going to score a ton of points you should be worried abut how you are going to stop us. You give up 130 rushing yards and 232 passing yards for a total of 362.  Meanwhile we are giving up 82 rushing yards and 201 passing for a total of 283.  You may score 20 but we may very score 30.  Looking at the big picture your team still comes out on the short end. 

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And here is a list of defensive backs that have been beaten by Aaron Dobson, Kenbrell Thompkins and Danny Amendola

 

Darelle Revis

Antonio Cromartie

Brent Grimes

Ike Taylor

Jarius Byrd

William Moore

Troy Polamalu

DaShon Goldson

Ryan Clark

 

so who is Drayton Florence and Captain Munneryln other than average?  The front seven is great but don't act like your secondary is too...

Given that for years Belicheck was famous for plugging in average players into the secondary and having them overperform, it is pretty amazing that a Patriots fans would make this argument. You either don't know as much about your team as you imply or in your haste to talk smack you forget that your team has done the same thing as the panthers over the years with very good results.

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I find it funny every one wants to talk about our defense I think we are going to see the remergence of double trouble against their 30th ranked run defense

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I find it funny every one wants to talk about our defense I think we are going to see the remergence of double trouble against their 30th ranked run defense

 

This.

 

We've been successfully running it lately, and JStew is looking useful. They had a similar amount of carries last game, IIRC... Run the ball, eat up the clock, prevent Brady getting it, and when he does.. demolish him.

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You guys are so bias and high off of your little winning streak just because you beat a team with a great defense but no offense and a second year qb in Kaepernick that is average without his weapon Vernon Davis and now you are world beaters?  Have not faced a qb all year like Tom Brady except Drew Brees .. but Drew Brees is no Tom Brady.  A swollen hand for weeks, hurt players all around him, chemistry lacking earlier on, new faces and still 7-2.  Now healthy throwing hand, healthy offense around him, chemistry complete and one of his top weapons returning and you guys have no clue.  A great defense is nothing without an offense that cannot put up points when they're in shoot out games..because you ARE NOT going to have a shutdown defense every Sunday or Monday.  And Danny wasn't knocked out of last game, see he survived and burned some *ss while at it.  And you act like our backups years past have not faced an all-pro lineman.  Last year Marcus Cannon went up against J.J Watts twice, and dominated both games.  Is Charles Johnson superior to J.J Watts, I dare you to say he is..  And if Gronk has beaten both Navarro Bowman and Patrick Willis in the past for two touchdowns then why can't he do it against Carolina.  Luke is great, but so is Bowman and Willis.  Great defense vs Great offense in this game, and these days if you don't have a quarterback you don't win it all.  This is an offensive and quarterback driven league now...

 

 

There is a lot of fail in this post but I am just going to point out a few.

 

-  You guys have one good game against one of the worst defenses in the league and now you guys are "back baby!".  Except most of those same guys played against the Dolphins also and your offense still looked very average with 252 total yards and 100 yards passing.  Against the team that just got beat by the fugging Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

 

-  JJ Watt is a great player, but he plays DE in a 3-4 scheme so it is a different kind of animal.  Watt is more of an interior lineman.  But even so, it isn't just dealing with Charles Johnson.  Watt may be a better player than Johnson.  But you also have to deal with Greg Hardy, Star, Short, Edwards, all who have been really good this year.  We have a great front 4 and great depth on that front 4.

 

-  Gronk is great.  We play Jimmy Graham and Tony Gonzalez 4 games a year.  We are not strangers to HOF caliber TEs.

 

-  And if great offenses win Super Bowls, why haven't you guys ever won one when Brady throws more than 28 TDs in a season?  In the three Super Bowls you guys have won, Brady threw 18, 23, and 28 TDs respectively. 

 

-  Oh yeah, the three years you guys won Super Bowls, your defense was ranked 6th, 1st, and 2nd respectively in points allowed.

 

-  Two of your Super Bowl years the Patriots ranked in the bottom half of the NFL in total offense (19th in 2001, 17th in 2003)

 

-  Our offense "cannot put up points".  We have scored 30 points or more in 5 games this season.  You guys have done it only 3 times.  You have only reached 30 points once on the road all season against a terrible Falcon's defense.  We have only been held under 30 points at home once all season, and that was against the Seahawks, arguably the best defense in the NFL.

 

 

I could probably keep going but you get the picture.  Point being, is that New England is a really good team, so are we.  NFL is a finicky league.  It is a game that can go any which way.  Brady is one of the best in the NFL, and he may have a hot hand against us.  Our defense is really good and he could have a game like he did against Cincy, or Miami.

 

But our confidence isn't being cocky, it is just simply looking at facts. 

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