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We’ve shown we can put up 30+ points fairly reliably. But the Pats just showed that this offense can be deadly if given the chance. Could the Panthers win by 10? Sure, I have no trouble seeing that kind of outcome. Could the Panthers lose by 10? Absolutely. Tom’s a smart enough quarterback to expose weaknesses in the secondary. While I’m over the moon for our defense, it’s not perfect. I really like Robert Lester- but at times he takes some really bad angles towards the ball carrier. Sometimes he tries an arm tackle against a HOF TE and gets torched. Sometimes Cap’n can’t keep up on a crossing route or sometimes he drops the easiest of INTs. Sometimes Kuechly is actually just out of position, or blocked straight out of a play.

So this could go either way for sure. All these things never really happen all at once. And they’re not all that common. Anytime Tom Brady is the opposing quarterback, though, I think you just throw the stats out the window and just say “This is going to be one heck of a game.

I personally like our chances. I think the defense will be ready. And our defense is good enough to give us a chance in ANY game. Our offense is also capable of grinding out long methodical drives. It’s also possible that the SF game was so emotional and intense that maybe we just come out flat after facing teams back to back coming off a bye. We’ll see on Monday. Can’t wait!

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You guys should feel less confident.. for obvious reasons..

 

TOM BRADY > Colin Kaepernick, not even close

Stevan Ridley > Frank Gore right now

Brandon Bolden and LeGarrette Blount > LaMichael James, not even close

SHANE VEREEN > ?

ROB GRONKOWKSI > Vernon Davis

Danny Amendola > Mario Manningham

AARON DOBSON'S CEILING > Anquan Boldin's current

Kenbrell Thompkins > ???

Julian Edelman > ????

 

Just too many weapons, too much versatility, variety, flavor and explosiveness... and way more talent offensively

 

Deadly offense, more deadly then Denver.. as great as your defense is, the New England Offense is EVEN GREATER.. I assure you.

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dood, no

 

Gronk is all time good. Amendola when healthy is better than now-Welker. Vereen is a freak in the flats and adds a whole dimension we haven't seen with Gronk. Dobson is physically elite and is coming around. Edelman, Ridley, have their moments. 

 

We have seen Gronk + Amendola back together for 1 game and they set a scoring record vs the Steelers. We haven't yet seen Gronk + Amendola + Vereen.

 

Gronk looks like he is already 30something years old on that field.

 

The Pats offense is incredible with talent and incredible with how they play that talent.  They tap every bit of it to put together the most dynamic unit in football.  If they can bulk up their OL and add just one WR in the offseason they'll get better.  But, that is a tall task for them because they suck at drafting and they never really pan out with their FA's.

 

C'mon man.  Get positive.  The Panthers are getting better, the Patriots are at the climax.  This game is big for ya'll.

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It is not their offensive weapons that scare me (they are mediocre)....nor even Brady's execution (he is playing just OK this seasoN) that scares me.....it is Belichik having 2 weeks to put in a scheme to counter our pass rush. I still think we can get some pressure on Brady, but I do not expect to see a beat down like we gave Kaep.

I hate the guy...but he has a knack for coming up with something that works.

We must play disciplined defense....watch out for the screens and TE....and pound the rock on offense. If we do these things (and I think we will) I believe we will win.


Gronk, Amendola and Vereen are not mediocre.

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We were playing our 4th CB, and our starting SS at the other CB.  Our SS was Leonhard, which meant our 4th S was now starting.

 

in other words:  CB's:  Gilmore out, McKelvin out, Brooks out.  S:  Byrd out, FS Aaron Williams to CB.  Jim Leonhard played SS which is normally Aaron Williams position, but with Byrd out it made more sense for this considering Leonhard joined the team a week earlier.

 

CB's were Aaron Williams, a 6th CB by default and Justin Brooks who was 5th.  S became Leonhard (3rd on depth) and Searcy (4th on depth).

 

We also had Robey get banged up in the game, and he was a package back.

 

Not trying rehash the game, but both side had horrible DB's that game.  I'd never seen anything like it - two teams starting entire units with backups because the starters were out.  If Keuchly hadn't held  Steve Johnson the Panthers would have won.

 

The difference is at least you guys had the extra bodies to put on the field we lost 5 members of our secondary in the first 3 quarters WHILE playing you...  Freaking Jon Beason was covering WR's one on one during your game winning drive... the game was over if he had been anywhere close on that 3rd down...

 

But I guess I should be happy not going for it and icing the game was what changed Riveras perspective... (Had we gone for it on 4th and 1 instead of opting for a FG I doubt you stop Cam)

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You guys should feel less confident.. for obvious reasons..

 

TOM BRADY > Colin Kaepernick, not even close

Stevan Ridley > Frank Gore right now

Brandon Bolden and LeGarrette Blount > LaMichael James, not even close

SHANE VEREEN > ?

ROB GRONKOWKSI > Vernon Davis

Danny Amendola > Mario Manningham

AARON DOBSON'S CEILING > Anquan Boldin's current

Kenbrell Thompkins > ???

Julian Edelman > ????

 

Just too many weapons, too much versatility, variety, flavor and explosiveness... and way more talent offensively

 

Deadly offense, more deadly then Denver.. as great as your defense is, the New England Offense is EVEN GREATER.. I assure you.

 

 

Nice to compare the Patriots offense to the Niners....

 

Neglecting the Fact that we have shut down Adrian Peterson, Marshawn Lynch Gronk is better than VD but VD had 1 catch for two yards...

 

Its really amusing that your trying to talk up the most mediocre group of weapons the pats have ever had...

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Gronk, Amendola and Vereen are not mediocre.

 

Amendola will be lucky to make it past the first quarter....

 

 

 

It's still no guarantee Vareen will play and even if he does it will be a limited capacity seeing how he hasn't played since week 1.

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Is Gronk better than Gonzales? 

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 " Do not worry about sacking Brady, you can only do that in coverage sacks."  .......

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Two completly different monsters.

Its like the offensive and defensive powers switched.

Equally as nervous, but confident that if we play to out potential like we have, we will come out on top.

I want Cam to a have 3+ TD game

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I think we match up very well. We can get pressure with 4 guys, which is the recipe to beating Brady. Plus their D doesn't scare me. This will either be a blowout by us or a very close game that goes either way. They will not blow us out.

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You guys should feel less confident.. for obvious reasons..

TOM BRADY > Colin Kaepernick, not even close
Stevan Ridley > Frank Gore right now
Brandon Bolden and LeGarrette Blount > LaMichael James, not even close
SHANE VEREEN > ?
ROB GRONKOWKSI > Vernon Davis
Danny Amendola > Mario Manningham
AARON DOBSON'S CEILING > Anquan Boldin's current
Kenbrell Thompkins > ???
Julian Edelman > ????

Just too many weapons, too much versatility, variety, flavor and explosiveness... and way more talent offensively

Deadly offense, more deadly then Denver.. as great as your defense is, the New England Offense is EVEN GREATER.. I assure you.


... I think you might be retarded.
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NE has a QB.

 

SF does not.

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i feel less confident about this game than i did about the SF game even though we match up much better against them than we did against SF.

 

that said, if we win, i think we don't lose more than one game the rest of the season.

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I would be much more, well I hate to use the word worried, but you know...about the Patriots.

 

Belicheck will have a stout gameplan and it is very easy to scheme for the Panthers.  Keep Newton from getting set, crush the pocket with 4 guys and keep cover 1 at the very least.  Make Newton throw to the hashes from outside of the pocket and limit those passes to 8 yards.  Eventually, this will break the passing game.  Carolina must have some screens, play action and over the middle routes.  That is not playing to the Carolina offense as much as it needs to be to beat the Pats.  TE up the seam should be there all day.  Williams must be sent up the middle of the OL many times - Wilfork and Mayo are gone.

 

On D the Panthers don't need to have the very best DB's.  They need a multi level approach.  Do not worry about sacking Brady, you can only do that in coverage sacks.  His presense in the pocket is something of awe, but has fallen off a lot.  With a 3 or 4 man rush you'll get in his throwing lanes and get those DL to have their arms up.  He throws a low ball - and throws it often.  Amendola doing his crossing routes over the middle will be the passes you'll deflect and the passes you'll lose the YAC on.  Batting those pretty passes back in Brady's face really pisses him off, too.  You'll see it when he starts to hang his head a lot.  If his head is down late in the game you still don't call it over.  He is king of the field and will quickly turn it around and jam it in your throat.  Brady sees things that others do not, and he will put the ball in a place to let his WR's make the catch.  I fear Keuchly may have a large work load to carry this Monday and that is worry for me.  If you attack his aggression on the run you can quickly get him swallowed in the play.  If Keuchly is lost in the wash Brady will dump it to the RB.  I could go on and on in awe of what the Pats do on offense - they throw a lot at you, get traffic all over the field and throw a dart right between your eyes when you are staring straight at it with both arms full.

 

So, what must Carolina do on defense?  Pressure Brady and keep his feet from getting settled.  Should not be a problem with this DL.  Give Keek an extra bowl of Wheatties and tell him to kill anything between the ends.  Your outside cover guys will not have to worry too much about the sweeps and wide runs but they'll be full with quick screens and dump offs.  They must be disciplined.  Your DB's must play smart football and know that at any given moment their guy already has them beat and they can't take one step off.  The FS must not let anyone get a better angle on him or deeper then he is playing.

 

I have said it all week to people I work with - Carolina should win this game when you look at it strategically.  NE is the worst "good" team out there.  And if Carolina wins this game and holds some momentum then they're going to make a strong playoff push and still might end up as a wildcard.  But, with confidence and a hot streak going come playoff time the Panthers could make it a few games in.  This game is going to determine the rest of the season, not because it is the Patriots and they are supposed to be the best and revered for being amazing - but because this is put up or shut up time.  If the Panthers win this it will ring a few notes down the pipe of the NFC.  It won't be Seattle and New Orleans as the top teams.  You'll have to include Carolina.    Green Bay, Chicago and many other NFC teams are not playing the football that Carolina is.  This is not the same team that lost to the Seahawks and Bills early on.  They'd most likely beat the Bills if they played again.  They'd not lose to the Seahawks, either.  This team is getting better and is good enough to win in spite of Newton regressing at this point.  That says a lot.

 

 

It's still Brady and he'll do magical things with refs giving him the most preferential treatment in the world.  In your world the Saint gets a lot of calls their way.  In the Patriots world, they get almost all the calls their way.

 

You lost me at the highlighted sentence there. Newton isn't regressing.

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You guys should feel less confident.. for obvious reasons..

 

TOM BRADY > Colin Kaepernick, not even close

Stevan Ridley > Frank Gore right now

Brandon Bolden and LeGarrette Blount > LaMichael James, not even close

SHANE VEREEN > ?

ROB GRONKOWKSI > Vernon Davis

Danny Amendola > Mario Manningham

AARON DOBSON'S CEILING > Anquan Boldin's current

Kenbrell Thompkins > ???

Julian Edelman > ????

 

Just too many weapons, too much versatility, variety, flavor and explosiveness... and way more talent offensively

 

Deadly offense, more deadly then Denver.. as great as your defense is, the New England Offense is EVEN GREATER.. I assure you.

 

Lets relax there bud..

 

The game isn't played on paper. Ridley isn't NEAR as good as Gore is right now, stop. Carolina has the tools, the perfect gameplan and ingredients to beat NE... Power running game and elite pass rush. If you had put Brady in Kap's shoes last week, I think Brady is sacked more than 8 times. And SF's line is leaps and bounds better than NE"s. If you add in the fact that Carolina's playing at home and feeling confident as ever, you have to feel a little uneasy. Im never going to discredit Brady or Belicheck because they're both at the top of the game in terms of all time greats, for what they do. 

 

Im assuming you're a Pats fan... and haven't watched much of the Panthers, if you don't win the possession game and if you guys can't find anyone to stop the run, go back to the game where we beat TB on MNF and be prepared to see something similar to that. Sure, on paper things look great for NE but like I said, games played on the field and in the trenches and I just don't think you're a tough enough team on either side of the ball.

 

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We all know that you can't touch Brady. He's gonna get calls and if he doesn't he's going to whine until he does. 

 

I'm going to be honest here though - I'm feeling pretty confident in this game. I expected a SF loss and NE win. 

 

Could see something along the lines of 24-20 panthers

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Our pass rush can have a bad game ala the Bills or Cardinals..  in which case,  game over. 

 

It's not like the Bills or Cards had amazing Olines.

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... I think you might be retarded.

 

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Our pass rush can have a bad game ala the Bills or Cardinals..  in which case,  game over. 

 

Cam Newton is a primetime TV quarterback. He's never played in a game of this magnitude on TV, but imagine if we can get one of those 3-4 touchdown games from him monday night accompanied by the way the defense is currently playing ---- going to be a long night for Belicheat and Pretty Boy. 

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Cam Newton is a primetime TV quarterback. He's never played in a game of this magnitude on TV, but imagine if we can get one of those 3-4 touchdown games from him monday night accompanied by the way the defense is currently playing ---- going to be a long night for Belicheat and Pretty Boy. 

 

Oh yeah.  If Cam goes beastmode,  then, it'll be game over for the Pats.    If he has one of his classic 3 passing TD 1 rushing TD games.

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The BCS Championship isn't televised?

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Oh yeah.  If Cam goes beastmode,  then, it'll be game over for the Pats.    If he has one of his classic 3 passing TD 1 rushing TD games.

 

exactly. Cam's been playing sneaky well the past couple of games even if his stats don't reflect it - but the dude is 4TD game waiting to happen at any time. 

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Threads like this always make me realize just how little other fanbases/media types know about our team.

"Make Cam throw outside the hasmarks!"


lol I hope so.


"That vaunted Carolina blitz wont get to us!"

Sure hope Brady doesnt eat us up those 7 times we blitz!
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More confident than last week and here is why:

 

Panthers (in four home games this season) are scoring 27.25 pts per game and allowing 9.25 pts per game :startle: 

Patriots (in four road games this season) are scoring 21.75 pts per game and alowing 21.5 pts per game

 

The Pats have played the Bills (whom they should have lost too), the Bengals (who absolutely abused Brady and ended his TD streak), the Falcons, and the Jets (who ran all over them).  They could easily be 1-3 on the road.

 

We have the formula to beat Brady.  Stuff the run, force 3rd and longs, and sit him on his tail (within the rules and before the whistle....lord knows golden boy gets his fair share of flags).  In my opinon this game comes down to our offense vs thier defense.  Control the clock and score points.  Punts are not necessarily a bad thing, but turnovers will kill you against the Pats.  If we protect the ball, we've got a really good shot.  I think we will give up some yards on Monday night, but IMO, the pats points will come off the leg of Gostkowski, more so than Brady's arm.

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