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#13 PhillyB

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 03:48 AM

Truth is that if Keek had turned to look at the ball and didn't have his arms wrapped around Gronk he would have seen that the ball was way underthrown and Gronk couldn't have caught it.  He made a stupid play in the endzone and got away with it.  But he surely shouldn't be excused or made a hero for doing it.

 

Just sayin...........................

 

meh. it was a risky play but you play to win these types of contests.

 

luke demonstrably didn't do anything wrong. he played within the constraints of the rules.

 

as far as i'm concerned he's a hero for covering his man well enough to make it difficult to return towards the ball and allowing lester to step in front of it.



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Posted 19 November 2013 - 06:38 AM

All in all...refs seemed to make the right call (I am super biased of course) but if the rule states that it can't be PI if the ball is intercepted, then that's what happened.  THe ball was out of Brady's hand before Luke made that contact.  Panthers got lucky because I could easily see the Pats (esp. Brady/Gronk) getting that call.  In fact, it kind of blows my mind that they didn't.  Even so, the refs did all they could to bolster the Pats.  Just not getting this one call really isn't a terrible injustice.

 

Let's not forget that Cam led his team on a game winning drive that ended with 1 minute left in the game.  Too bad that's not the story ESPN wanted to talk about.  If that same play had happened to Cam/Olsen and the refs picked up the flag, only Stuart Scott would have cared.  Dilfer and Young would have been all up Brady's butthole with praise and you wouldn't have seen them complain.  They would have been touting the rule and Gerry Austin wouldn't even have been brought in to do commentary.

 

Of course ESPN is like homer nation Pats fans.  THey are in Conn. after all.  You might say that the Patriots are the official NFL team of ESPN.

 

It was a huge, impressive win for Carolina and that doesn't sit well with the Tom Brady fan club.  Perhaps fortune smiled on us on that last play, but in the end, no matter the circumstance, we scored more points than them and a win is a win.

 

It will be interesting to see if they withhold credit from us for our position in the playoff picture.  We have beaten SF and NE in back to back weeks (after they were coming off bye weeks) and are for real one of the top 3 teams in the NFC.



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Posted 19 November 2013 - 06:57 AM

For once the refs did the right thing. I guess they figured if they gave tom another PI off an uncatchable ball, it would be too obvious.
Rule or no rule, the Pats didn't deserve the ball on the goal line after throwing up a wounded duck that got picked.

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 07:02 AM

Are some of you even Panthers fans??

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 07:35 AM

I just watched the play. By the time Luke begins to hug Gronk, the ball is already thrown and is almost in Lester's hands, so that cannot be holding. The ball was also underthrown and Gronk could not have caught it so no PI there. I don't see what people are bitching about. Watch the play yourself and see when Luke begins to hug.

The bottomline is, the Pats lost and those in the media have their fruit of the looms all in a wad. Remember our media is control by only a few. And FYI, the Pats lost to the Jets and it was the same game didn't go the Pats way so it was controversial.

 

These fools act like Refs never pick back up flags they throw down. And if you look at the game, outside of the bais prism  of the media, you can see that both Kuechly and Grun was practically out of bounds and he wasn't HUGGING him, Grun is a bigger dude than Kuechly, he CONTAINED HIM. The other guy came across and caught the ball that was way to low. and short. It sad listening to these folks sit and make this out to be more than what it is BUT I remember that they keep doing it with other "lesser teams" who beat their chosen teams. Listening to these Brady Worshippers on NFLN, especially that female, they are spinning this like a spider making a damn web.



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Posted 19 November 2013 - 07:38 AM

I think we should be a little less biased and think about if that had went the other way.  Zod would have had to shut the Huddle down bc of all the people saying "the refs gave it to the pats".  Yes it might have been the right call but its still a tough one to swallow.  If the ref doesn't throw the flag no one would even be talking about this.  But the Patriots have a right to be mad and everyone saw something different.  I definitely think it was a controversial call and I hate that it ended like that bc it was a huge win for the Panthers.



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Posted 19 November 2013 - 07:53 AM

Id rather him turn and look for the ball and see Lester get the INT anyway rather than bear hug a player on a team that the refs tend to love.


No. No. No. I get what you are saying. But your man is more important than the ball. Your man will usually tell you where the ball is. But when you start looking for the ball that is how guys get wide open.

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 09:14 AM

meh. it was a risky play but you play to win these types of contests.

 

luke demonstrably didn't do anything wrong. he played within the constraints of the rules.

 

as far as i'm concerned he's a hero for covering his man well enough to make it difficult to return towards the ball and allowing lester to step in front of it.

Disagree.  If you are playing a receiver who is clearly better than you are, then you do what you can to stop him from catching the ball at all costs.  But Kuechly is the best cover linebacker in the game.  He could have played him straight up and still stopped him.  He didn't need to risk a penalty in the endzone with no time on the clock at that point.  Everyone knows from middle school on that you have to look like you are going for the ball to avoid PI. Truth is that Lester saved his butt on that play or it was clearly a penalty. 



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Posted 19 November 2013 - 09:17 AM

No. No. No. I get what you are saying. But your man is more important than the ball. Your man will usually tell you where the ball is. But when you start looking for the ball that is how guys get wide open.

Gronk was clearly facing Brady and looking for the ball.  Kuechly should have known that the ball was coming and turned his head.  Plus you shield him with his hands you don't bear hug him.  Lester saved his butt and there is no 2 ways about it.  I love Kuechly but it was a poor play on his part and that is all I am going to say about it.  We won and I was there and was very happy and still am.



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Posted 19 November 2013 - 09:37 AM

 

 

Sorry, Been a Panthers fan since 1995. Live in Fayetteville, and will have to say that No there was no interference, but that should have been called at least defensive holding on Luke. You cannot not drape or bear hug a receiver. 

 

With that said, yes the PI call was a bad call and All I have heard/read all morning is the Pats were screwed over.  The ball was 3-4 yards in front of Gronk, he had 3 defenders between him and the ball and the ball was barley INT by Lester who damn near had to do a face plant to get to the ball.

 

As Always the Pats fans are going to cry like little bitches because there team lost. I do not remember anyone here screaming the the PATS Superbowl titles should be vacated due to the their cheating during the 2003 SB win. Which was documented with evidence they had used game film of opponents defense in 2003-2003 as well.

 

And just have to put this out there, does anyone seem to think that leg sweep on Charles was planned? Someone look at the tape. It appears the RT was not knocked down but more or less fell and then purposly leg sweep Charles right at the knee. I have to re-watch the game footage, but I think it was planned. Everyone knows that Bill is one of the dirtiest coaches in the NFL.

 

Let me know what your feelings are on that issue.



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Posted 19 November 2013 - 09:41 AM

Repeat post. Sorry dont know how to delete it



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Posted 19 November 2013 - 09:45 AM

Honestly it couldve been called either way depending on how the refs felt at the time. You could make a case that the ball was uncatchable or that the pick validated Kuechly's contact, and you can make a case the other way as well. We got really lucky they didn't call it because it is the patriots after all, but sometimes these judgments play into wins and losses and for the panthers, close losses due to penalties are no stranger