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I hates the pick.  When Noel fell to us I was so excited, then I got punched in the gut.  Seems to happen all the time with this franchise.

 

 

And What is Noel doing right now exactly??

 

And just to let you know. Anybody who's played Basketball Knows Noel has a bigger hill to climb and needs way more time to develop then Cody.

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I said from the moment our pick came up we shouldve taken noel

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And you would be wrong.

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Zeller got some decent minutes tonight (16) more than his average. He wasn't spectacular or anything but he was productive.

 

He made all of his free throws (4-4), was really solid on the boards (6), and made a great hustle play coming back after he committed a turnover to poke the ball free from Evan Fournier.

 

Zeller finisehd with 4 points, 6 rebounds, and 1 steal.

 

His downfall right now appears to be him struggling with his shot. In summer league he was draining these 18-20 footers when he was left open... now he is missing most of them (if not all of them). In my opinion, he strength isn't nearly as important as honing and developing a jump shot (see: Dirk Nowitzki).

 

If he can at least shoot around 2-4 or possibly 3-5 from the field to go along with his free throws; he could be a consistent eight to ten point and five rebound per game guy by the end of the season.

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And you would be wrong.

can't be worse then zeller and he would help tanking… who tf r u dude? lol

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I dont totally buy what Clifford is selling.

If you just watch McBob play and then Cody play, there isn't much of a difference. In fact, it appears to me that Cody plays better with the more time he is given and he is a MUCH better defender than McBob is right now.

McBob isn't exactly benching 500 himself. I just get the feeling that Clifford is one of thise coaches that prefer to keep young players' PT to a minimum. He likes established vets regardless of the situation.

 

 

McBob can hit the three occasionally, which is something this team DESPERATELY needs.  I'd also like Z to get more play time, but I can see why McBob might be seen as a better fit right now.  If Z could find his shot I think the PT would get switched in a hurry.

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can't be worse then zeller and he would help tanking… who tf r u dude? lol

Yes he could be worse then Zeller. A lot worse. People talking about Zeller needs to add strength. Make that × 4 for Noel who also by the way has no outside game or post game.

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McBob can hit the three occasionally, which is something this team DESPERATELY needs.  I'd also like Z to get more play time, but I can see why McBob might be seen as a better fit right now.  If Z could find his shot I think the PT would get switched in a hurry.

 

Agreed.  McBob has the ability to hit the three consistently, while Cody is not hitting his mid-range much at all.

 

BUT, as I posted previously, Zeller and Nowitzki's stats through midway of their rookie season are almost identical.  Difference was, Nowitzki ended up finishing strong because he started getting a LOT more minutes at the end of the season...  His season high was 29 IIRC, and yet he still finished with fairly modest averages for the season. 

 

IMO, the only way Zeller is going to improve, is by playing.  I've been there.  He isn't going to improve by sitting on the bench.  From my experience playing, it looks to me like his struggles are mental.  As a wise man once told me, basketball is 90% mental and 10% physical.  Zeller has absolutely no confidence.  We saw him hit the midrange shot in college, now he can't.  We saw him hit the shot in summer league, and now he can't.  He gets paid to practice and play basketball for a living, so PHYSICALLY and muscle-memory wise, he can ONLY improve.  The problem is, with limited minutes, his chance of having a breakout moment, which then leads to a breakout game, is extremely unlikely - and that is what he needs.  He needs to have a game where his shot falls, he stays in the game, and then he starts to believe in himself again.  Right now, he is very passive and lacking almost all confidence in his game, and that is why he is struggling.  All this, "needs to get stronger" crap is just that, crap...  Clifford needs to quit bullshitting and play him.

 

When he comes in the game and passes up a shot and/or misses a shot and ends up with a grand total of 12 minutes played, he's just going to stay in this drought.

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I quit watching the Bobcats last week. Tired of watching McRoberts jack up shots and get destroyed on the boards while Zeller just sits on the bench in his warm ups.

Zeller is extremely talented & young. Have people already forgot he was the most coveted player in college 18 months ago?

He has the potential & offensive talent to average 20. But he's never gonna develop sitting in the bench while mediocre players get all the playing time.

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You make some good points Proudiddy but I disagree with you about Zeller needing to get stronger.

 

He is a power forward who is consistently pushed out of the way, he has no lower presence and he is awkward like a kid who has not grown into his size.  I agree that he has no confidence but it's not just about his outside shot.

 

Either he is too weak or he is too passive.  One thing you cannot teach or add in a weight room is aggression and instinct.  Let's say for sake of argument that Zeller is strong enough, then he is too passive as a person and a player.  Look at any interview with him and his demeanor in games.  If he is a naturaly laid back person with out that natural aggression then this altheticism is only going to take him so far. 

 

Even with his confidence he isn't going to be banging down low with the big guys which is the whole problem with this draft pick, when you need an outside shooter you draft a shooting guard, not a 7 foot power forward.  Dirk Nowitzki has been in the NBA for 15 years and the amount of players that could be compared to him are low, so when he is used as an example of Cody's upside potential isn't really fair for Cody or us as fans since stretch fours odds of being that type of player are low.

 

Going back to Dirk's rookie year there are similarites to Cody phisically but Dirk was always more fluid, he never looked as clunky or lost as Cody does.

 

And I still hope Cody pans out.  If he gets good and has a break out game, and it all clicks for him that is great but as a fan I can only go off of what I've seen so far which isn't much.

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I quit watching the Bobcats last week. Tired of watching McRoberts jack up shots and get destroyed on the boards while Zeller just sits on the bench in his warm ups.

Zeller is extremely talented & young. Have people already forgot he was the most coveted player in college 18 months ago?

He has the potential & offensive talent to average 20. But he's never gonna develop sitting in the bench while mediocre players get all the playing time.

 

Agreed 100%.  I just don't get where all the Zeller hate is coming from.  The dude has game, and has shown flashes.  He was arguably the best rookie in all of the summer leagues, and yet, because he's only getting 12 minutes or so a game, he sucks now?  LOL.  There aren't many guys in the league now, or that have been in the league EVER, who have Zeller's size and athletic ability.  He will not get out of this funk until he is given time to do so.

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I do think he should get more minutes just to see what will happen, it worked for Anthony Bennett.

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Yes he could be worse then Zeller. A lot worse. People talking about Zeller needs to add strength. Make that × 4 for Noel who also by the way has no outside game or post game.

 

noel will have a year of training he will be much more nba ready than zeller was not to mention hes younger

 

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