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You make some good points Proudiddy but I disagree with you about Zeller needing to get stronger.

 

He is a power forward who is consistently pushed out of the way, he has no lower presence and he is awkward like a kid who has not grown into his size.  I agree that he has no confidence but it's not just about his outside shot.

 

Either he is too weak or he is too passive.  One thing you cannot teach or add in a weight room is aggression and instinct.  Let's say for sake of argument that Zeller is strong enough, then he is too passive as a person and a player.  Look at any interview with him and his demeanor in games.  If he is a naturaly laid back person with out that natural aggression then this altheticism is only going to take him so far. 

 

Even with his confidence he isn't going to be banging down low with the big guys which is the whole problem with this draft pick, when you need an outside shooter you draft a shooting guard, not a 7 foot power forward.  Dirk Nowitzki has been in the NBA for 15 years and the amount of players that could be compared to him are low, so when he is used as an example of Cody's upside potential isn't really fair for Cody or us as fans since stretch fours odds of being that type of player are low.

 

Going back to Dirk's rookie year there are similarites to Cody phisically but Dirk was always more fluid, he never looked as clunky or lost as Cody does.

 

And I still hope Cody pans out.  If he gets good and has a break out game, and it all clicks for him that is great but as a fan I can only go off of what I've seen so far which isn't much.

 

Yeah, my point is, Cody's issue is mental, which kind of parlays into or off of his demeanor.  He is a pretty laid back guy.  BUT, that isn't an indictment on what type of player he can be on the court.  The point is, he has to find his niche on the court and build his confidence, and that only will come with playing time.

 

His strength is not a concern for me, it's his mindset that has to change.  His strength is plenty enough as-is when we're talking about stretch fours.  Furthermore, I don't know how many times I've watched McBob get completely destroyed in the post, so that's why Clifford saying "Cody needs to get stronger" is a farce to me.  McBob doesn't appear to be any better of a defender or any stronger than Zeller is right now.  Zeller looks strong...  again, I just go back to his lack of confidence. 

 

I've experienced it myself and I've seen it happen time and time again in other players.  If he is constantly in fear of being pulled and questioning every decision he makes on the floor, he will not improve.  He needs the time to feel comfortable out there...  Then, when a couple of shots start falling, it's almost like riding a bike...  You never forgot, but it all comes back to you...  He's passive because he doesn't want to make mistakes.  Once he starts making plays, it will all start rolling from there - he will be confident, aggressive, and decisive.

 

Even with Dirk, I don't know how many people watched him closely his rookie year because no one really expected him to become what he has - so, in that sense, you're right, it is unfair to compare young stretch fours to him.  BUT, as I said, Zeller has that ability.  He is fluid, fast on his feet, and quick.  He looks clunky when he makes bad decisions - trying to force up shots underneath, jumping in the air without anywhere to go with the ball, etc.  His movement isn't an issue, IMO, he's just playing indecisive and reckless once he does make a decision.

 

But again, I go back to confidence.  If he gets that, he will be what everyone has been hoping he would be, and likely more.

 

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Could've been.....

PG Kemba Walker
SG FA scorer
SF Jabari Parker
PF Cody Zeller
C Al Jefferson

Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
Gerald Henderson
Bismack Biyombo
Jeff Taylor
1st Rder via Detroit
1st Rder via Portland

Championship caliber roster in 2-3 years







But it'll never happen... poor franchise......

2014-15 Hornets:

Starters:

PG Kemba Walker
SG Gerald Henderson
SF Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
PF Josh McRoberts
C Al Jefferson

Depth chart:

PG Ramon Sessions
PF Bismack Biyombo
SG Gary Harris (via Detroit)
SF Anthony Tolliver
SF Jeff Taylor
PF Cody Zeller
SF Glen Robinson III (1st Rder)
PG Nick Johnson (via Portland)
PF 2nd Rder

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noel will have a year of training he will be much more nba ready than zeller was not to mention hes younger


What??

He's not playing or improving his already limited game.

Plus he needs at least 2 off-season to get to Cody Zeller's size and strengths.
Dude is a stick figure.

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noel will have a year of training he will be much more nba ready than zeller was not to mention hes younger


Yeah.. He's getting a ton of training rehabbing his shredded knee....

He has no basketball skills whatsoever...

All he does well is block shots...

His knees won't hold up & even if they do he will wash out of the league

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Yeah.. He's getting a ton of training rehabbing his shredded knee....

He has no basketball skills whatsoever...

All he does well is block shots...

His knees won't hold up & even if they do he will wash out of the league


Some people don't understand basketball really? ?

This guy doesn't even understand that Noel and Al couldn't be in the game at the same time because Noel doesn't have any game outside of 3 or 4 feet from the basket.

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Some people don't understand basketball really? ?

This guy doesn't even understand that Noel and Al couldn't be in the game at the same time because Noel doesn't have any game outside of 3 or 4 feet from the basket.


Noel is a scrawny version of Biyombo. Not to mention he has bum knees and is only 18 months younger than Biz. I'd rather have Biz who is a proven rebounder & shot blocker.... & stays healthy.

He's only 18 months younger than Cody, too. And he will never have 1/10th of the offensive talent Cody possesses.

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I'm a big Cody Zeller fan.  Definitely wasn't excited about it when we drafted him, but he really showed a lot of promise in the Summer League.  I think if Clifford would just play him a little more, we'd see him shake off the rookie rust and start showing what he can do!  I think he's our PF going forward... unless we grab a franchise center and move Al to the 4.

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 BUT, as I said, Zeller has that ability.  He is fluid, fast on his feet, and quick.  He looks clunky when he makes bad decisions - trying to force up shots underneath, jumping in the air without anywhere to go with the ball, etc.  His movement isn't an issue, IMO, he's just playing indecisive and reckless once he does makes a decision.

 

But again, I go back to confidence.  If he gets that, he will be what everyone has been hoping he would be, and likely more.

 

 

Those are good points, the jumping into the air with nowhere to go is the worst thing he could do when he does it lol.

 

Yeah his confidence needs to improve and that may only come with increased playing time, after seeing Anthony Bennett the other night when he got more playing time I think they should give it to him and let him learn on the job. 

 

I agree that with the minutes he gets, establishing a rhythm would be tough.

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I'm a big Cody Zeller fan. Definitely wasn't excited about it when we drafted him, but he really showed a lot of promise in the Summer League. I think if Clifford would just play him a little more, we'd see him shake off the rookie rust and start showing what he can do! I think he's our PF going forward... unless we grab a franchise center and move Al to the 4.

They've already blown a top 3 & top 8 pick on Biz & Zeller plus spent big money on Al....

If they bring in another expensive vet it better be a scoring machine to stick in the back court with Kemba
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They've already blown a top 3 & top 8 pick on Biz & Zeller plus spent big money on Al....

If they bring in another expensive vet it better be a scoring machine to stick in the back court with Kemba

 

How can you say that Zeller was a blown pick before the All-Star break in his ROOKIE season?  Haha That's crazy, and is jumping the gun big time.  I think Cody is going to end up being a good player for us, and likely our starting PF in the future.

 

Biz, on the other hand... Biz Biz BIz... I'm afraid we've seen his ceiling.  He was a risky pick with tremendous potential upside.. but he's just never going to develop into a legitimate offensive threat.  He'll always be a top-notch shot blocker... and those are good to have.  But I'll agree he certainly wasn't worth a top 10 pick.

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How can you say that Zeller was a blown pick before the All-Star break in his ROOKIE season? Haha That's crazy, and is jumping the gun big time. I think Cody is going to end up being a good player for us, and likely our starting PF in the future.

Biz, on the other hand... Biz Biz BIz... I'm afraid we've seen his ceiling. He was a risky pick with tremendous potential upside.. but he's just never going to develop into a legitimate offensive threat. He'll always be a top-notch shot blocker... and those are good to have. But I'll agree he certainly wasn't worth a top 10 pick.


I didn't mean they are busts....

I meant they've already invested several high picks & a max FA to PF/C...

Drafting or signing another would be a waste, especially when the team is void of perimeter scorers.

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[b]How can you say that Zeller was a blown pick before the All-Star break in his ROOKIE season?  Haha That's crazy, and is jumping the gun big time.[/b]  I think Cody is going to end up being a good player for us, and likely our starting PF in the future.

 

Biz, on the other hand... Biz Biz BIz... I'm afraid we've seen his ceiling.  He was a risky pick with tremendous potential upside.. but he's just never going to develop into a legitimate offensive threat.  He'll always be a top-notch shot blocker... and those are good to have.  But I'll agree he certainly wasn't worth a top 10 pick.

 

Especially when you check out his Per 36 and see what he could accomplish if Coach Cliff gave him a chance.

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