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#1 CarolinaPanthers8789

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Posted 15 July 2009 - 08:02 PM

Source: Rotoworld per Charlotte Observer

Restricted free agent Raymond Felton and the Bobcats are not close to coming to an agreement on a long-term contract.

Felton’s first choice is to remain a Bobcat, but agent Kevin Bradbury will now explore other options. He can either get an offer sheet from another team or sign a $5.5 million qualifying offer and become unrestricted next season. "We’ll be reviewing our options, Bradbury said. "That’s not something I thought we’d have to do, up until this meeting." This doesn't look good for Charlotte, who is one team that did virtually nothing to improve over the summer.

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Posted 15 July 2009 - 08:33 PM

I am starting to really question whether I want to continue to be a fan of this team. It seems like they aren't even trying to make the playoffs. Teams in the East continue to get better day by day. Really can't see this team making the playoffs anytime in the near future.

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Posted 15 July 2009 - 09:07 PM

I'm starting to wonder if Felton is looking for money in the 8-10 million a year range.

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Posted 15 July 2009 - 09:07 PM

You don't get better by overpaying the 20th best PG in the NBA with a long term deal.

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Posted 15 July 2009 - 09:24 PM

I'm starting to wonder if Felton is looking for money in the 8-10 million a year range.


I think he is probably looking at 8 or 9 a year, whereas the bobs are looking at more 6 to 7.
these are some guys I would consider comparable to Felton on the market and their salaries for 2009:
TJ Ford-8 mil
Devin Harris-7.8 mil
Jameer Nelson-7.7 mil

I actually just picked a couple guys who reminded me of Felton as far as talent level, age, and what they mean to their team. Their salaries are all really close, so I think this is where the negotiations end up....maybe around 7.5 since we have a little leverage with Augustin, and Felton wants to stay in Charlotte. Thoughts?

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Posted 15 July 2009 - 09:46 PM

Yea that sounds close I'd probably lean towards 8 million a year on average though.

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Posted 15 July 2009 - 09:54 PM

You don't get better by overpaying the 20th best PG in the NBA with a long term deal.


We need Felton, I don't think some people understand this. If we don't re-sign Felton, who will backup D.J.??? Do we really think D.J. is ready to lead a team at the point? I don't think he is, I love the guy and I think he is going to be really good some day. I just don't think he is ready yet. If we don't get Felton back they better have had a plan all along.

This team hasn't done anything in this offseason to get better.

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Posted 16 July 2009 - 06:24 AM

these are some guys I would consider comparable to Felton on the market and their salaries for 2009:
TJ Ford-8 mil
Devin Harris-7.8 mil
Jameer Nelson-7.7 mil


Those players are all substantially better than Felton. In fact, all three are all star players. Felton isn't even close.

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Posted 16 July 2009 - 06:27 AM

We need Felton, I don't think some people understand this. If we don't re-sign Felton, who will backup D.J.??? Do we really think D.J. is ready to lead a team at the point? I don't think he is, I love the guy and I think he is going to be really good some day. I just don't think he is ready yet. If we don't get Felton back they better have had a plan all along.

This team hasn't done anything in this offseason to get better.


DJ is ready to lead the team, but your point about depth is well taken, they have no backup behind him. Pay Felton what he is worth, but don't overpay because of your depth situation. Felton should get a contract worth about 6 million per year. Seeing as how the Bobcats have overpaid to retain everyone of their free agents, maybe he gets 8 million but he isn't worth it.

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Posted 16 July 2009 - 08:57 AM

Those players are all substantially better than Felton. In fact, all three are all star players. Felton isn't even close.


Ford and Felton are about on the same level, Harris and Nelson are indeed substantially better.

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Posted 16 July 2009 - 09:36 AM

Here are Felton's and Augustin's stats from last year. The rank is based on where they are with other point guards, not the entire NBA.

Raymond Felton Stats
Points Per Game- 14th
Field Goal %- 20th
Three Point %- 29th
Free Throw %- 20th
Offensive Rebounds- 12th
Offensive Rebounds Per Game- 11th
Defensive Rebounds- 4th
Defensive Rebounds Per Game- 4th
Rebounds- 7th
Rebounds Per Game- 8th
Assists- 8th
Assists Per Game- 11th
Steals- 5th
Steals Per Game- 5th
Blocks- 3rd
Blocks Per Game- 2nd
Double-Double's- 16th

D.J. Augustin Stats
Points Per Game- 18th
Field Goal %- NA
Three Point %- 3rd
Free Throw %- 5th
Offensive Rebounds- NA
Offensive Rebounds Per Game- 37th
Defensive Rebounds- 41st
Defensive Rebounds Per Game- 32nd
Rebounds- 42nd
Rebounds Per Game- 33rd
Assists- 36th
Assists Per Game- 31st
Steals- 45th
Steals Per Game- 34th
Blocks- NA
Blocks Per Game- 37th
Double-Double's- 30th

Stat wise it kind of looks like we need Felton. I have changed the color to red to the stats where the player ranks in the top ten, and blue if they are ranked in the top twenty.

NOTE: If you average his stats togethor it ranks him as the 10th best point guard in the NBA.

Edited by CarolinaPanthers8789, 16 July 2009 - 09:39 AM.


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Posted 16 July 2009 - 10:22 AM

Here are Felton's and Augustin's stats from last year. The rank is based on where they are with other point guards, not the entire NBA.

Raymond Felton Stats
Points Per Game- 14th
Field Goal %- 20th
Three Point %- 29th
Free Throw %- 20th
Offensive Rebounds- 12th
Offensive Rebounds Per Game- 11th
Defensive Rebounds- 4th
Defensive Rebounds Per Game- 4th
Rebounds- 7th
Rebounds Per Game- 8th
Assists- 8th
Assists Per Game- 11th
Steals- 5th
Steals Per Game- 5th
Blocks- 3rd
Blocks Per Game- 2nd
Double-Double's- 16th

D.J. Augustin Stats
Points Per Game- 18th
Field Goal %- NA
Three Point %- 3rd
Free Throw %- 5th
Offensive Rebounds- NA
Offensive Rebounds Per Game- 37th
Defensive Rebounds- 41st
Defensive Rebounds Per Game- 32nd
Rebounds- 42nd
Rebounds Per Game- 33rd
Assists- 36th
Assists Per Game- 31st
Steals- 45th
Steals Per Game- 34th
Blocks- NA
Blocks Per Game- 37th
Double-Double's- 30th

Stat wise it kind of looks like we need Felton. I have changed the color to red to the stats where the player ranks in the top ten, and blue if they are ranked in the top twenty.

NOTE: If you average his stats togethor it ranks him as the 10th best point guard in the NBA.


Those stats shown like that make Felton look like a top 15 PG, maybe even top 10. But alas I don't think he is or will ever be a top 10 PG. He's good just not that good.

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Posted 16 July 2009 - 11:02 AM

Those stats shown like that make Felton look like a top 15 PG, maybe even top 10. But alas I don't think he is or will ever be a top 10 PG. He's good just not that good.


Oh I agree and I am a Tar Heel fan to, I just don't think he will be able to get his shot to be as smooth as Augustin's is. If Felton could get a better shot he would be a sick nasty point guard, but Augustin is just amazing when it comes to shooting the ball.

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Posted 16 July 2009 - 01:36 PM

I think he is probably looking at 8 or 9 a year, whereas the bobs are looking at more 6 to 7.
these are some guys I would consider comparable to Felton on the market and their salaries for 2009:
TJ Ford-8 mil
Devin Harris-7.8 mil
Jameer Nelson-7.7 mil

I actually just picked a couple guys who reminded me of Felton as far as talent level, age, and what they mean to their team. Their salaries are all really close, so I think this is where the negotiations end up....maybe around 7.5 since we have a little leverage with Augustin, and Felton wants to stay in Charlotte. Thoughts?


My question is what year did those guys get those contracts? Player price goes up every year... and those guys could be getting less than what they're worth.

I am a believer in DJ. I think if he progresses the way he should this year, he'll be a stud/starter the next year.

If we give Felton 8 mil he'll be getting starter pay for backup minutes in a year or so.... I think he's worth around 7 mil. and maybe we trade him after the season. If we can't sign him though, we're screwed unless something unforseen and fortuitous happens.

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Posted 16 July 2009 - 04:05 PM

Those players are all substantially better than Felton. In fact, all three are all star players. Felton isn't even close.


I would agree that Nelson is far better than Felton, but I wanted three guys to compare. Ford is not far better than Felton, and I think Harris and Felton are pretty close. Looking at the 30 starting points in the league, I thought these three are the closest to Felton. Who would you substitute for comparison sake?
Augustin is not ready to take this team over, and will not be for a couple years, IMO. I think we should sign Felton to a three year deal, and then look at the pg situation after that time. If the FO feels augustin is ready to take over this team before then we can trade felton. But, look at the stats posted earlier in the thread. This team will be substaintally worse if we lose Felton. His assists, rebounds, steals, and blocks are among best in the league at the position. Augustin can't cover that loss if we lose Felton. Felton should get paid starting salary because, IMO, he will be the starter as long as he is here.


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