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I know tha for some reason people think it doesnt count if Cam runs the ball... but we had 135 yards on the ground today, most of them in the second half.

We are not the best run team in the league, but we are pretty good.

If anything, we are not committing to the run enough. Earlier this year, up until and including the SF game, Deangelo was on fire. We need to hand him the ball some more, and he will eventually break the big one to the outside.

The really good thing is that Cam has really stepped up now, and even when we have problems running the ball, Cam can make enough throws, and the defense enough stops that we can pull off a win when we need to.

People don't count Cam's running bc they are wanting to discuss the traditional rush attack.....Cam needs that in order to have all his play action passes in the playbook to be respected. He needs it so he doesn't have to get in and work overtime doing the RBs ground work

Also I wouldn't call what Williams and been "on fire" up thorough the 9ers game. I think that ended week 3 vs NY.....after that game he has pretty much been the guy bottled up not doing much yet breaking random long ones that don't come near enough

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It is really kind of hard for any of our RBs to get in rhythm being that we have to split carries like that. With that being said, Tolbert has been a beast in short yardage. I am loving him signing here more and more each game. We will get it going.

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We've been using more off tackle and misdirections lately with D'Will which is nice but the OL is weak on the right.  The off-tackle out of shotgun to the left side was his biggest gainer at the beginning of the game.  That's the way he excels and it was toward the stronger part of the line.  Counters, misdirection, off-tackle runs.  Not draws, dives, or wildcat.  Gross and Kalil again did great yesterday.  

 

I agree that given the looks of Shula's playbook we should utilize Stewart and Tolbert a little more.    

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Without Cams numbers boosting the run game, the Panthers would probably rank very low.  I just can't see them flipping a switch in week 13 and being a dominant run team (as in running with RBs).

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Without Cams numbers boosting the run game, the Panthers would probably rank very low.  I just can't see them flipping a switch in week 13 and being a dominant run team (as in running with RBs).

 

I think this is Cam's lowest rushing season......but we got a pretty good split between our RBs We just need to use Stewart and Tolbert to soften the defense up and then use William to stretch the defense out.

 

DeAngelo Williams- 610yds 2TD

 

Mike Tolbert-  253yds 4TD

 

Jonathan Stewart-  125yds 0TD

 

Cam Newton- 379yds 5TD

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That starts up front. We need Scott and Hartstock back soon though.

Bingo......................you are correct.

 

The run game starts with the foundation of the offense......... the O line........

 

the O line must be able to trap D line personnel to open up a hole.............if the line can't do that then no runner in the world goes anywhere........as it is, during pass blocking Cam's scrambling ability has kept us in games and a winning season as our O line is struggling there too.

 

We have 3 running backs that are all capable of eating up yards in the secondary but they must have a hole to run through to begin with...........that is why so many of our runs up the middle have no results...

 

The O line is an area that all teams struggle with injuries but more so for the Panthers this year than others............

 

Did you see the trapping the O line did for Minn verses GB yesterday and the big chunks of yards they were getting?

 

If we could get healthy with the O line and trap like that...........then we beat anyone....................if we can't do that, then our inability to run up the middle will be the downfall of our post season..........

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I know it has a lot to do with the line and Hartsock, but I feel that every time Deangelo comes in to run it's an instant drive/momentum killer for us.   I don't think DWill has the ability to create holes for himself when the line isn't the best.  That is why he hasn't been able to reach that 2008 season when we had a beast line and Otah was mauling for us.  I feel Stewart and Tolbert are more power backs that can create more holes or at least positive yards somehow.  I'd like to see Stewart and Tolbert get more carries, especially early to beat up their defense first, then let DWill come in with a spark and change up the pace.

 

Please no more wild cats.......

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I know it has a lot to do with the line and Hartsock, but I feel that every time Deangelo comes in to run it's an instant drive/momentum killer for us. I don't think DWill has the ability to create holes for himself when the line isn't the best. That is why he hasn't been able to reach that 2008 season when we had a beast line and Otah was mauling for us. I feel Stewart and Tolbert are more power backs that can create more holes or at least positive yards somehow. I'd like to see Stewart and Tolbert get more carries, especially early to beat up their defense first, then let DWill come in with a spark and change up the pace.

Please no more wild cats.......


Also had Hoover....best lead blocker in the game paving a path through the line for Williams

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Also had Hoover....best lead blocker in the game paving a path through the line for Williams

 

 

Yup, face it that team's offensive line was a monster, at least on the run side.  We could run it on either side and Otah was a beast that year.  You are right, Hoover was underappreciated here and in the league.  I can't deny it's hard for our backs, since everyone in the league knows our right side is garbage.

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Our running game has never really been any good this year.

I'd like to see Tolbert and maybe Stewart get more touches. Williams just can't get consistent yards.

it was nice to see the efficiency increase in that last drive though.

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It is really kind of hard for any of our RBs to get in rhythm being that we have to split carries like that. With that being said, Tolbert has been a beast in short yardage. I am loving him signing here more and more each game. We will get it going.

 

This is true.

 

I think our RBs have a hard time getting rythm when they go tit for tat. They need to feel around and see which of the guys up front is opening the bigger holes, and which LBs are bithing on the pump fake etc... 

 

I am a bigger fan of letting one guy come in for a half with Tolbert on short yardage duty, and then if we need the other guy at halftime or the 4th qtr, switch them out. 

 

I remember when Stewart came back and everyone was excited, I said that i didnt want to fix what wasnt broken because Deangelo and Tolbert were doing very good. To me, it seems that our run game has been kinda hit or miss since we messed up the rotation with Stewart... but we are winning, so I cant complain.

 

Honestly, I dont think that Gettlemen intends on keeping both Deangelo and Stewart, so I think he is giving them both opportunities to see who to keep. I think Deangelo has been better recently and has been more healthy too, but he is more expensive.... It is a decision I am glad I dont have to make, but I think with Cams ability and Tolbert being more similar too (and better than) Stewart, I think we should keep Deangelo.

 

Of course I could be wrong, and theyt may want to keep an entire stable of them to make sure we have talent at the position throuth the playoffs year in and out.

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