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#151 MadHatter

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Posted 30 November 2013 - 08:56 AM

Sorry ace but I can't agree with this. The questions of intelligence and work ethic are rarely if ever thrown at non black QBs. But that poo is always thrown at black QBs and the poo sticks like glue, no matter if they were nice dudes that spoke to the media or dudes who didn't. It is a stereotype that can always be used when dealing with black people in leadership positions. These code words have been used for hundreds of years,

Heck you can see this poo during games. Cam, RG3, Kap or Wilson can make a good read and throw a pass yet the announcer will talk about how that was an instinctive play...not that they used intelligence and read the defense. I mean how is the media still saying Cam can't read defenses yet has thrown for all these fuging yards and tds.

Yet luck can throw a pick six and barely complete 58% of his passes and no one questions his intelligence. Same with The Golden Calf of Bristol...no one questioned his intelligence even though he was a 45% passer.

Look I have been watching the NFL since the mid 80s and this is the same poo different color as it was back in the day. Instead of questioning Moon's, Cunningham's, Mcnabb's or Mcnair's intelligence and work ethic it's questions about RG3s, Kap's or Cams's work ethic and intelligence.

In a year or two you will hear the same poo with Teddy Bridgewater and Brett Hundley once they are in the league.....same poo wash and repeat.


It is not Black QB's that usually get questioned. It is the athletic QB that gets questioned. Most have gotten by on athletic ability....and in the past the running QB did not transition well to the nfl.

He'll, it is still mainly true. RgIII and Kaep are showing they are better runners than passers. Cam understands that he was make his money and mark from the picket. His running ability compliments his throwing...it does not compensate for the lack if it.

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Posted 30 November 2013 - 08:59 AM

Personally, I think that RG has been figured out.  He cannot run in this league because he is too frail.

 

RG III is the product of a college system and conference that was characterized by wide-open offenses and games that looked like basketball scores.  Even now he cannot succeed in the worst division in football.  They will finish last.

 

And he thinks his character is the issue?



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Posted 30 November 2013 - 09:02 AM

Sorry ace but I can't agree with this. The questions of intelligence and work ethic are rarely if ever thrown at non black QBs. But that poo is always thrown at black QBs and the poo sticks like glue, no matter if they were nice dudes that spoke to the media or dudes who didn't. It is a stereotype that can always be used when dealing with black people in leadership positions. These code words have been used for hundreds of years,

Heck you can see this poo during games. Cam, RG3, Kap or Wilson can make a good read and throw a pass yet the announcer will talk about how that was an instinctive play...not that they used intelligence and read the defense. I mean how is the media still saying Cam can't read defenses yet has thrown for all these fuging yards and tds.

Yet luck can throw a pick six and barely complete 58% of his passes and no one questions his intelligence. Same with The Golden Calf of Bristol...no one questioned his intelligence even though he was a 45% passer.

Look I have been watching the NFL since the mid 80s and this is the same poo different color as it was back in the day. Instead of questioning Moon's, Cunningham's, Mcnabb's or Mcnair's intelligence and work ethic it's questions about RG3s, Kap's or Cams's work ethic and intelligence.

In a year or two you will hear the same poo with Teddy Bridgewater and Brett Hundley once they are in the league.....same poo wash and repeat.

 

Very good points, nail on the head

 

Bridgewater is a quiet type, it will be interesting to see how they treat him. If they start slinging poo at him...



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Posted 30 November 2013 - 09:09 AM

It is not Black QB's that usually get questioned. It is the athletic QB that gets questioned. Most have gotten by on athletic ability....and in the past the running QB did not transition well to the nfl.

He'll, it is still mainly true. RgIII and Kaep are showing they are better runners than passers. Cam understands that he was make his money and mark from the picket. His running ability compliments his throwing...it does not compensate for the lack if it.

 

Steve Young was an athletic QB who could run, Andrew Luck is too.  Aaron Rodgers is a good runner, but most do not see it because he is a better passer.  Tannehill is a good runner--was a 4.5 40 WR in college.  Those who try to turn everything into race are just looking to serve a private agendas.

 

The bottom line is this (and I am extending your solid point):  Some qbs became elite in Pop Warner, High School, College, etc, because they could always run and be successful.  They were really not that afraid on injury.  Now we are in a league where 320 lb DTs run 4.8 40s.  The NFL defensive coordinator will force you to think against your natural impulse to run.

 

Cam is still a little slow going through his progressions because this is very new to him, but he gets it.  While it used to be about his ability to read a defense, it is now about his speed in reading a defense.  Kaepernick was probably cursed because he was able to make the super bowl before the league figured him out.  A strong running game, ridiculously good OL, and stout defense made him look better than he was.  Cam never had that.

 

But this is not about race as Hatter says.  If you think that, you are stupid.  QBs are meaured in Ws and Ls, not Ws and Bs.



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Posted 30 November 2013 - 09:19 AM

Steve Young was an athletic QB who could run, Andrew Luck is too. Aaron Rodgers is a good runner, but most do not see it because he is a better passer. Tannehill is a good runner--was a 4.5 40 WR in college. Those who try to turn everything into race are just looking to serve a private agendas.

The bottom line is this (and I am extending your solid point): Some qbs became elite in Pop Warner, High School, College, etc, because they could always run and be successful. They were really not that afraid on injury. Now we are in a league where 320 lb DTs run 4.8 40s. The NFL defensive coordinator will force you to think against your natural impulse to run.

Cam is still a little slow going through his progressions because this is very new to him, but he gets it. While it used to be about his ability to read a defense, it is now about his speed in reading a defense. Kaepernick was probably cursed because he was able to make the super bowl before the league figured him out. A strong running game, ridiculously good OL, and stout defense made him look better than he was. Cam never had that.

But this is not about race as Hatter says. If you think that, you are stupid. QBs are meaured in Ws and Ls, not Ws and Bs.


Young, Rogers, etc are guys who made their living from the pocket and had the athletic ability to run when needed. That is diff than these spread option qb's in college who did most of their damage with their legs. And, most of those qb's are able to get by in physical ability alone...which you can't in the nfl.

They question them just like they used to question qb's with ridiculous stats coming out if the run and shoot college offenses....Akili Smith, Andre aware, Eric Couch, Timmy Chang, etc. many of them were drafted high and did nothing.

It isn't about race...but how skill sets transition to the pro game.

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Posted 30 November 2013 - 11:39 AM

Young, Rogers, etc are guys who made their living from the pocket and had the athletic ability to run when needed. That is diff than these spread option qb's in college who did most of their damage with their legs. And, most of those qb's are able to get by in physical ability alone...which you can't in the nfl.

They question them just like they used to question qb's with ridiculous stats coming out if the run and shoot college offenses....Akili Smith, Andre aware, Eric Couch, Timmy Chang, etc. many of them were drafted high and did nothing.

It isn't about race...but how skill sets transition to the pro game.

 

Timmy Chang---forgot all about him.



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Posted 30 November 2013 - 12:39 PM

Excerpts from a few draft profiles.  See if you can tell who they are...

 

Tends to lock on to his primary target under duress... Too often sidearm-slings the ball and does not step into throws... Played in an overly simplified offense that did not force the QB to learn the position and needs to be trained in the mechanics of dropping back from under center... Drifts in the pocket. Downfield accuracy must improve...

 

 

Played in a QB-friendly offense, operating heavily out of the shotgun, and will need time to acclimate to the speed of the pro game... Misses some open receivers, and accuracy is inconsistent... Questionable mental toughness... Does not have a commanding on-field presence - confidence wanes...

 

 

Far from a finished product and lacks natural passing skills with an overly muscled frame and marginal lower-body mechanics... Really struggled working under center at the Senior Bowl with raw footwork...and too often botched the center-snap exchange... Cannot unload the ball quickly and does not always feel the rush... Worked exclusively out of the shotgun... Can be flustered when his first two reads are covered and has a tendency to take off running...

 

 

Faced marginal competition... Operated heavily out of the shotgun in an offense featuring simplified reads and will require an adjustment period to a pro-style offense... Footwork is inconsistent - will require a lot of work on his mechanics and reads... Too streaky... Does not have a strong on-field demeanor or play with fire... Mental toughness and competitiveness need to be examined closely...

 

 

Raw positional instincts and footwork as only a one-year starter... Still makes some boneheaded decisions and forces the ball into coverage... Has a tendency to bail out of the pocket too soon and let his eyes drop to the rush... Worked almost exclusively out of the gun in a spread-option offense and threw a lot of high-percentage passes that padded his production...

 

 

Makes ill-advised decisions zeroing in on receivers and overly relying on his arm strength... Is too easily rattled by pressure... Mechanics always could be a problem... Inconsistent accuracy and ball placement and it diminishes greatly on the move, where he makes his receivers work too hard for the ball...  Limited field vision - does not cycle through progressions... Does not play with energy or demonstrate on-field command... Immature, is not a respected leader and character needs to be evaluated very closely... Does not come across well in interviews and must prove his commitment to the game...

 

 

Too manufactured - has a high-effort delivery... Inconsistent deep accuracy - was 0-for-7 throwing to his deep right in five games charted the past two years...  Had a strong supporting cast with receivers who attacked the ball... Has a sense of entitlement... Arrogant - can come off as having all the answers and struggle to win a locker room. Still immature. Comes across as overly staged, scripted and disingenuous in interviews and does not have the type of presence desired in the face of a franchise. Is not a fan of the weight room...

 

Only hint I'll give is that they were all considered among the ten best QB prospects available the year they were drafted.



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Posted 30 November 2013 - 12:50 PM

Personally, I think that RG has been figured out.  He cannot run in this league because he is too frail.

 

RG III is the product of a college system and conference that was characterized by wide-open offenses and games that looked like basketball scores.  Even now he cannot succeed in the worst division in football.  They will finish last.

 

And he thinks his character is the issue?

 

 

Salute...All points well taken.



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Posted 30 November 2013 - 12:53 PM

Excerpts from a few draft profiles.  See if you can tell who they are...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Only hint I'll give is that they were all considered among the ten best Qb prospects available the year they were drafted.

 

1.jimmy clausen

2.teh jimmah

3. pickles

4. pudgy face

5. great clips

6. limp wrist

7. spikey hair
 



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Posted 30 November 2013 - 12:57 PM

1.jimmy clausen

2.teh jimmah

3. pickles

4. pudgy face

5. great clips

6. limp wrist

7. spikey hair
 

 

:lol:

 

One out of seven, but which one?
 



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Posted 30 November 2013 - 01:32 PM

Lol. Mr Scot still doesn't get it on this.

Just because someone says something about player x and something about player y doesn't mean anything when it comes to racial stereotyping.

It is the ole backstop to try to ignore racial stereotypes by saying "he said something about that guy too!!"

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Posted 30 November 2013 - 01:44 PM

Timmy Chang---forgot all about him.


I went into the obscure Univ if HawIi archives to pull that one.

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Posted 30 November 2013 - 01:59 PM

Lol. Mr Scot still doesn't get it on this.

Just because someone says something about player x and something about player y doesn't mean anything when it comes to racial stereotyping.

It is the ole backstop to try to ignore racial stereotypes by saying "he said something about that guy too!!"

 

People say "These sorts of things only get talked about with black quarterbacks, therefore it's racial".

 

Examples are shown of the same criticisms being made of white quarterbacks.

 

"Even if it gets said about white quarterbacks too, it's still racial when it's said about black quarterbacks."

 

Yeah...okay :rolleyes:

 

 



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Posted 30 November 2013 - 02:12 PM

Choosing to ignore the use of stereotypes does not mean they don't exist.



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Posted 30 November 2013 - 02:31 PM

Choosing to ignore the use of stereotypes does not mean they don't exist.

 

And assuming they're at the root of every single criticism that gets made is foolish, stupid and accomplishes nothing.

 

You've got people here who go screaming "racism" every time something bad gets said about a black quarterback regardless of whether there's any actual reason to believe there's a racial aspect to it.  It gets pretty ridiculous.




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