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CBS Sports: "Cam Newton or Russell Wilson?" [Video]

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can you maybe elaborate on IQ?

seems to me Cam's football iq has progressed and I havent really seen RW displayed so much that it would be something to compare to Cam's. I havent watched all of their games but from what i have seen. RW just makes things happen when you dont think it is possible, a la Cam. It's not so much IQ though.

There's no websters or concrete criteria on what defines football IQ. It's just a cliche.

I understand it as the way RW compensates for whatever he lacks in the athletic department to stay in the conversation with players that tower over him and and can throw it farther and so on. Obviously he has something that makes him as good as the top Qbs, so I put that something under the IQ umbrella.

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There's no websters or concrete criteria on what defines football IQ. It's just a cliche.

I understand it as the way RW compensates for whatever he lacks in the athletic department to stay in the conversation with players that tower over him and and can throw it farther and so on. Obviously he has something that makes him as good as the top Qbs, so I put that something under the IQ umbrella.

 

ah. i don't. i think that is just his athleticism. but i get what you are saying.

 

people forget that even though hes a smaller qb, he is insanely athletic and him being a shortstop/ 2nd baseman has helped him in that department as well.  him being smaller has helped him in some regards with scrambling, but hurt him in seeing lanes because like you said people tower over him.

 

he is insanely athletic, just not on Cam's level.

 

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There's no websters or concrete criteria on what defines football IQ. It's just a cliche.

I understand it as the way RW compensates for whatever he lacks in the athletic department to stay in the conversation with players that tower over him and and can throw it farther and so on. Obviously he has something that makes him as good as the top Qbs, so I put that something under the IQ umbrella.

It's called, Marshall Lynch, His Defense, his coaching, and the fact that the Seahawks don't have to rely on him to win games.

 

Put Wilson on the Panthers Cam's first two years, and I think he'd struggle. 

 

Yes, Cam's defense and coaching have now reached a level we can count on (we hope). But Cam  still lacks a reliable run game and play making receivers (like in Seattle), thus is still routinely relied upon to make big plays (whether he's playing well up to that point or not).

 

Wilson's now a play maker as well. However, he just doesn't carry the pressure and responsibility to win games Cam has/does. Just saying (and I really like Wilson).  

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It's called, Marshall Lynch, His Defense, his coaching, and the fact that the Seahawks don't have to rely on him to win games.

 

Put Wilson on the Panthers Cam's first two years, and I think he'd struggle. 

 

Yes, Cam's defense and coaching have now reached a level we can count on (we hope), but he still lacks a run game and play making receivers (like in Seattle), thus is still routinely relied upon to make big plays (whether he's playing well up to that point or not).

 

Wilson's now a play maker as well. However, he just doesn't carry the pressure and responsibility to win that Cam has/does. Just saying (and I really like Wilson).  

 

RW has carried the pressure to win, not as much as Cam. but wilson has been relied upon to make things happen to win games.

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It's called, Marshall Lynch, His Defense, his coaching, and the fact that the Seahawks don't have to rely on him to win games.

Put Wilson on the Panthers Cam's first two years, and I think he'd struggle.

Yes, Cam's defense and coaching have now reached a level we can count on (we hope). But Cam still lacks a reliable run game and play making receivers (like in Seattle), thus is still routinely relied upon to make big plays (whether he's playing well up to that point or not).

Wilson's now a play maker as well. However, he just doesn't carry the pressure and responsibility to win games Cam has/does. Just saying (and I really like Wilson).

I'm pretty sure I already debunked this weeks ago, probably the same poster too.

These guys are consistently good no matter what team you put them on, they will find a way to have good stats. They just won't win as many games in the end, the only difference.

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Wow, the hate that this man has for Cam is not rare. Lots of "national" media folk spit the same dislike for Cam. Terry Bradshaw comes to mind. I've come to terms that nationally Cam isn't EVER going to get the respect that he deserves because of "reasons". What I've noticed during this 8 game win streak is the common, "I need to see more........" At first, Cam needed to win 4 in a row.....Then it was, "during this win streak, they haven't really beaten anyone....." but bashing ALL OF THEM. Then, it was, "We'll see about Cam during this three games stretch with the Falcons, Forty Whiners, and the Brats. After the Panthers win those three games to make it 4, 5, 6, in a row they STILL NEED TO SEE MORE?? What more do you need?? Haters, I tell you. Hatin won't get you anywhere. 

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they are two different kinds of qb's even tho people see throwing qb that can run.

 

Cam is just on another level athletically. nobody in the league at the qb position can do the superman dive. no qb in theleague can juke three defenders in the pocket the way Cam did against ATL and make a 20 yard pass on a rocket shot.

 

RW is very good. Cam is special.

 

Remember the ridiculous 3rd and 12 that Russell Wilson converted against us on their only TD scoring drive in the season opener?  He was nearly sacked twice but he managed to escape, and while running BACKWARDS, he launches what had become a 25+ yard pass and places it right on the side line at the sticks where only his receiver could get it.  Plays like that obviously have a little bit of luck involved, just like Cam's scramble against ATL, but they also require special players to pull off.

 

Cam is special.  Russell Wilson is special too.  I'd still take my guy, though.  But it's not like it's some completely insane notion that there are some people out there who would take Russell.

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I wish boomer would have shut up so I could have heard the other guys praise Newton some more.

 

I notice that as well. I'm like, "Shut up, we've heard your BS, now let the experts tell us what we know about Cam!!". 

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I'm pretty sure I already debunked this weeks ago, probably the same poster too.

These guys are consistently good no matter what team you put them on, they will find a way to have good stats. They just won't win as many games in the end, the only difference.

No it wasn't me. 

 

But you do realize, that there were many QB's like Drew Brees, Steve Young, etc.., (who rode the bench, and/or had to get traded) on/from one team before they achieved success. So you see it as 'they eventually are good'. While others see it, as 'they have to be in the right system'. That's well known. So now you're going to tell us, 'Alex Smith is now good'. And if he is, he wasn't earlier in his career, and/or needed the proper system?

 

And it was clear that Wilson was a game manager his first ten NFL games, and wasn't ready. And that was with good coaching, defense and a run game to rely on. It's the same with Griffin and Kaepernick. If you would have placed either of those two on the Panthers--Cam's first two years, I don't think they have the same success as Cam (especially in conventional alignments), until the offense was tailored to them. 

 

No ones saying Wilson's not any good now. But I think Cam's size and pocket presence, combined with his similar QB skills, travels better from team to team than Wilson (though he's good). That's really the take away. 

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You could argue that RW is just as good as Cam. I have no problem with somebody saying they would rather have RW. No need in getting our panties in a bunch.

Just as good? Yes. Being able to do all the things cam can do just as well? Not even close

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Yeah, but I can understand a lazy fan being that way. But any analyst (especially a former player), can just pick up the phone of someone he trust in Charlotte, the Panther organization or the NFL to know the truth. 

 

Cam's work ethic, dedication, respect and humility to the game, his teammates, coaching and the media, have always been at a very professional level since his arrival. And the fact that Boomer can take one post game presser out of 48, and try to make Cam appear selfish, is not only the farthest thing from the truth, but totally wrong, and reeking of personal agenda or bluster. 

 

Didn't they learn their lesson last year from RG3 regarding young QB worship (though you could see much of his selfishness and security, which the media ignored)?

You would think with the amount of money that these "analysts" get paid they would actually bother to do some research at their job or just open their fuging eyes, either one would suffice.  I can understand the common fan misperception of Cam especially where I live.  Every football fan I talk too pretty much repeats what Boomer said about Cam and you're right they could never be more wrong.

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Remember the ridiculous 3rd and 12 that Russell Wilson converted against us on their only TD scoring drive in the season opener?  He was nearly sacked twice but he managed to escape, and while running BACKWARDS, he launches what had become a 25+ yard pass and places it right on the side line at the sticks where only his receiver could get it.  Plays like that obviously have a little bit of luck involved, just like Cam's scramble against ATL, but they also require special players to pull off.

 

Cam is special.  Russell Wilson is special too.  I'd still take my guy, though.  But it's not like it's some completely insane notion that there are some people out there who would take Russell.

 

i know. i've posted about how that was the most insane play i have ever seen. Cam's play against atl wasnt luck. russel wilsons kind of was. but he had the athleticism to pull it off. it was a prayer throw. not many if any could make that play. and out of 10 times i think he only pulls that off once.

 

Cam against atl you can't teach that kind of athleticism and thats not just lucky. Or the run against tampa bay and the redskins his rookie year. Cam has been doing plays like that his entire football career starting at auburn.  Nobody at the qb position can even touch that kind of athleticism, elusiveness, speed and power.

 

its not a completely insane notion, but if you actually watch the games and compare the two, its just a bit funny that boomer is screaming intangibles when Cam has willed this team to win this season. The defense has surely helped. but Cam has single handedly won games against elite teams these past 3 weeks (minus the bucs).

 

i love RW. i love the kind of player he is. But i don't really see any advantage RW has over Cam in any tangible or intangible way. They are both winners. Cam made "winner" type plays his entire NFL career. The team just finally caught up to him.

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