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CBS Sports: "Cam Newton or Russell Wilson?" [Video]

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Boomer has the common misconception that a lot of people have about cam. I will never understand it but I could really give a fug less as long as hes our qb

Yeah, but I can understand a lazy fan being that way. But any analyst (especially a former player), can just pick up the phone of someone he trust in Charlotte, the Panther organization or the NFL to know the truth. 

 

Cam's work ethic, dedication, respect and humility to the game, his teammates, coaching and the media, have always been at a very professional level since his arrival. And the fact that Boomer can take one post game presser out of 48, and try to make Cam appear selfish, is not only the farthest thing from the truth, but totally wrong, and reeking of personal agenda or bluster. 

 

Didn't they learn their lesson last year from RG3 regarding young QB worship (though you could see much of his selfishness and insecurity, which the media ignored)?

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can you maybe elaborate on IQ?

 

seems to me Cam's football iq has progressed and I havent really seen RW displayed so much that it would be something to compare to Cam's.  I havent watched all of their games but from what i have seen. RW just makes things happen when you dont think it is possible, a la Cam. It's not so much IQ though.

 

football IQ is all that matters and i don't see wilson being ahead of cam at all.

 

nothing about cam shows an inability to grasp and command his own offense, progress through all his reads quickly, and read an opposing defense.

 

nothing about cam shows an inability to grow in his understanding of his role as a QB or as a leader.

 

he came out of the gate looking like a freak QB/athlete who was much further along in his passing game than even his own supporters knew and he's done nothing but grow and improve over time.

 

 

someone said in this thread that wilson has peaked. i don't know how accurate that is, but i don't think there's much better than he can be.

 

cam truly has a higher ceiling. we haven't come close to seeing what cam can develop into.

 

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football IQ is all that matters and i don't see wilson being ahead of cam at all.

 

nothing about cam shows an inability to grasp and command his own offense, progress through all his reads quickly, and read an opposing defense.

 

nothing about cam shows an inability to grow in his understanding of his role as a QB or as a leader.

 

he came out of the gate looking like a freak QB/athlete who was much further along in his passing game than even his own supporters knew and he's done nothing but grow and improve over time.

 

 

someone said in this thread that wilson has peaked. i don't know how accurate that is, but i don't think there's much better than he can be.

 

cam truly has a higher ceiling. we haven't come close to seeing what cam can develop into.

 

As much as I like Wilson, and I do. You have to look at it this way. If they were to switch teams (especially their first 1-3 years), how would each perform on the others respective teams?

 

Unfortunately, I don't think Wilson or the Panthers would do as well if he was in Charlotte. And I think Cam would actually do better on the Hawks (though you can't argue their record this year).

 

Based off of that, I don't see any "football IQ" of Wilson being better than Cam, except for the supposition that since Wilson was a QB longer that makes him automatically smarter.

 

Wilson, was spoon fed hist first 10 NFL games. He wasn't ready. He was the classic game manager, who wasn't put in the position to win or lose the game for his team. Obviously, Wilson learned down the stretch to win games. But as we saw from Cam's inception, that was cast upon him from day one (even now, when the Panthers don't throw down field as much). 

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you guys know espn would be boring if there was a group consensus on every issue, right? don't think the network doesn't know this and doesn't assign opinions to people to keep controversy high.

 

case in point: skip bayless

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Yeah, but I can understand a lazy fan being that way. But any analyst (especially a former player), can just pick up the phone of someone he trust in Charlotte, the Panther organization or the NFL to know the truth. 

 

Cam's work ethic, dedication, respect and humility to the game, his teammates, coaching and the media, have always been at a very professional level since his arrival. And the fact that Boomer can take one post game presser out of 48, and try to make Cam appear selfish, is not only the farthest thing from the truth, but totally wrong, and reeking of personal agenda or bluster. 

 

Didn't they learn their lesson last year from RG3 regarding QB worship (though you could see much of his selfishness and security, which the media ignored)?

 

 

I think Wilson came into the NFL more equiped to be a "leader of men".  Wilson had 5 years of major college football under his belt by the time he came into the league.  He had been through adversity on the field and knew how to communicate with his teammates in a constructive way.

 

It was a learning experience for Cam coming in to the league.  Thomas Davis had to get on Cam last season because he would always work out alone, away from his teammates.  He would be aloof with his head phones on in the locker room.  Steve Smith callled him out publicly for his body language. 

 

Cam didn't have the luxury of 4-5 years of college to learn how to be a great teammate.  It speaks to the type of person Cam is that he took a hard look at himself and was able to mature into a legitimate leader on this team.

 

 

All this to say, RW came into the league more "pro-ready". Cam needed to go through some hard times to become a better teammate and field general.  But Boomer is totally baseless to say that RW is more mature now. 

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Russel has endless talent surrounding him!

 

Cam gets a competant Gm in the house and he wins 8 straight!

 

Russel is good but he is no Cam newton. Seattle is stacked!

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This video makes me wonder:  Has Boomer even seen a Panthers game this year?  He sounded like someone who has a clear bias against Cam and is clearly uninformed.  If he prefers Wilson over Cam, that's fine.  It's his prerogative.  But his reasoning was just flawed.

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You could argue that RW is just as good as Cam. I have no problem with somebody saying they would rather have RW. No need in getting our panties in a bunch.

 

Wilson is a great QB. However stating that he can do what cam does is ignorant at best. Also, to the fact he was damn near discrediting Cams ability.

 

Fug Boomer.

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I think Wilson came into the NFL more equiped to be a "leader of men".  Wilson had 5 years of major college football under his belt by the time he came into the league.  He had been through adversity on the field and knew how to communicate with his teammates in a constructive way.

 

It was a learning experience for Cam coming in to the league.  Thomas Davis had to get on Cam last season because he would always work out alone, away from his teammates.  He would be aloof with his head phones on in the locker room.  Steve Smith callled him out publicly for his body language. 

 

Cam didn't have the luxury of 4-5 years of college to learn how to be a great teammate.  It speaks to the type of person Cam is that he took a hard look at himself and was able to mature into a legitimate leader on this team.

 

 

All this to say, RW came into the league more "pro-ready". Cam needed to go through some hard times to become a better teammate and field general.  But Boomer is totally baseless to say that RW is more mature now. 

I hear ya.

 

Nonetheless, don't think anything Cam experienced last year was out of the ordinary for a young, very talented player.

 

You also have to keep in mind, Wilson was trying to win a job, while Cam was the number one pick. Wilson had to do everything perfectly if he wanted to play. Shoot, if they would have asked Wilson to scrub the bathrooms and the other players jock straps, he probably would have. Lol

 

My point was: Once you get past the media bluster, you'll notice Cam always had a strong work ethic, never threw his teammates, coaches or the media (though they deserved it) underneath the bus, etc.. Despite all this, Boomer tried to insinuate that Cam was selfish. That's just not true. We have to separate the personality from the reality. 

 

No one saying Cam is/was perfect. But that doesn't mean his work ethic, professionalism, and dedication needed to be routinely questioned and overtly scrutinized. Everybody needs improvement somewhere. So did Cam. And it appeared many media and Huddler's were routinely searching for anything to say "Cam needs to improve", though it was part of a normal progression many others had experienced. And I'm not sure if that Thomas Davis reference (if I remember correctly), wasn't a joke? 

 

Note: You didn't hear much in the major media regarding Kaepernick and RG3, though both of those guys were major head cases going back to their first or second seasons. 

 

Cam has been a target from day one, with most of the off the field criticism I find more myth, than reality. 

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you guys know espn would be boring if there was a group consensus on every issue, right? don't think the network doesn't know this and doesn't assign opinions to people to keep controversy high.

 

case in point: skip bayless

 

In this particular video, they seem genuinely aggravated with one another to me. Maybe that's where they hook and reel me in. Brainwash.

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Wow, just got around to watching the video.  That was barely considered a debate, what it was more like was a bunch a rational guys breaking down a hater.  He eventually got away from stats or any other lucid argument, and went straight to character traits which were unfounded and completely idiotic. 

 

They all about laughed him off that stage.  What a grumbly old piss drinker.

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