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CBS Sports: "Cam Newton or Russell Wilson?" [Video]

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I love Sharpe for that comment. Its basically what i have been saying all this time, its stupid to always set Manning and Brady as some kinda standard for QBs. NFL and sports in general is about evolving and finding talent in different ways and aspects. Its stupid to criticize a player because they dont resemble Peyton Manning. AKA ONE fuging SUPERBOW AND A LOSING RECORD IN THE PLAYOFFS IN HIS  CAREER.

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No it wasn't me.

But you do realize, that there were many QB's like Drew Brees, Steve Young, etc.., (who rode the bench, and/or had to get traded) on/from one team before they achieved success. So you see it as 'they eventually are good'. While others see it, as 'they have to be in the right system'. That's well known. So now you're going to tell us, 'Alex Smith is now good'. And if he is, he wasn't earlier in his career, and/or needed the proper system?

And it was clear that Wilson was a game manager his first ten NFL games, and wasn't ready. And that was with good coaching, defense and a run game to rely on. It's the same with Griffin and Kaepernick. If you would have placed either of those two on the Panthers--Cam's first two years, I don't think they have the same success as Cam (especially in conventional alignments), until the offense was tailored to them.

No ones saying Wilson's not any good now. But I think Cam's size and pocket presence, combined with his similar QB skills, travels better from team to team than Wilson (though he's good). That's really the take away.

Our offense cam's rookie year was pretty much unstoppable especially when you compare it to the Jimmy era. Our rushing attack was one of the best, both stewart and deangelo were averaging 5.5 yards a carry and had like 800 yards each. We had two great tight ends Shockey and Olsen, and Smith and Lafell. Pretty good situation if you ask me. Our defense sucked so we still went 6-10.

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Wow, the hate that this man has for Cam is not rare. Lots of "national" media folk spit the same dislike for Cam. Terry Bradshaw comes to mind. I've come to terms that nationally Cam isn't EVER going to get the respect that he deserves because of "reasons". What I've noticed during this 8 game win streak is the common, "I need to see more........" At first, Cam needed to win 4 in a row.....Then it was, "during this win streak, they haven't really beaten anyone....." but bashing ALL OF THEM. Then, it was, "We'll see about Cam during this three games stretch with the Falcons, Forty Whiners, and the Brats. After the Panthers win those three games to make it 4, 5, 6, in a row they STILL NEED TO SEE MORE?? What more do you need?? Haters, I tell you. Hatin won't get you anywhere. 

I get all your points.  :thumbsu:

 

I got another: Cams critics almost universally said he "needs to win" and improve in the "short passing game", right?

 

Well guess what? "Wala", the Panthers are now 9-3, and Cam is not throwing down field nearly as much (due to a crappy offensive line) with much more short stuff. Goal post move again.

 

So now, according to many of them, Cam's a "game manager" and "relying on his defense", cause he's not throwing down field (as ludicrous as that may sound to Panther fans, and the fact this wasn't cast upon Wilson, Kaepernick, and RG3 last year, as well as Luck--this year).

 

They say this, though they fail to critique why (O-Line), and the fact that Cam still has to be a play maker for the Panthers to win (along with the Panthers have had many big leads, chewing up the clock, so Cam hasn't needed to compile as much passing yards). But of course, we're never told this. 

 

You can't make some of this up? LOL/SMH 

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Our offense cam's rookie year was pretty much unstoppable especially when you compare it to the Jimmy era. Our rushing attack was one of the best, both stewart and deangelo were averaging 5.5 yards a carry and had like 800 yards each. We had two great tight ends Shockey and Olsen, and Smith and Lafell. Pretty good situation if you ask me. Our defense sucked so we still went 6-10.

 

i think this is what "commentators" clue in on. we were unstoppable offensively. Defenses adapted. We lost shockey. or running game became inept because of too much read option. our line regressed, our recievers regressed.

 

there are a number of different variables of why we weren't winning the past two years. I put Cam in the bottom 5 reasons (i have like 20 reasons why).

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I posted this in a pretty football knowledgeable group on facebook.

Most pick Wilson, with no reason given. One gave the reason cuz "Wilson is a better pro and has much more upstairs", tho admitting cam is more talented.

 

The one (so far) that's said Newton... a Bengals fan, said "Newton, But love Dalton"

 

I'd pick Cam, I've seen what he can do every game.  but with the "track record" and the Media over hype... I'm not surprised people pick Wilson over Cam right now.
 

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I don't know why people don't think RW has anymore room to grow. He is in his second year, and has gotten better week after week. Its ok for a QB to be just as good as Cam guys. You guys have such an inferiority complex.

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RW is basically a mobile Drew Brees. Cam is a more athletic version of Steve Young. Its a win win, and really depends on how you want to run your offense. They are both good/great QBs.

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RW is basically a mobile Drew Brees. Cam is a more athletic version of Steve Young. Its a win win, and really depends on how you want to run your offense. They are both good/great QBs.

 

no. awful comparisons.

 

RW is nowhere near drew brees in the way they throw or anything.

 

and steve young? lol i grew up watching steve in the bay area.

 

no one is against somebody being as good as Cam. in fact i would embrace it, specifically RW. He's my second favorite qb in the league.

 

the comparisons and "intangibles" comments are just ridiculous.

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I guess CBS didn't pay Boomer enough money. IMO, all of those EGO driven Ex-Football players hated Cam becaus they were told too. At least Boomer is holding out for more money to flip-flop for them.

 

Plus, I am waiting for them to admit that Cam is better than Luck and mean it or than even Andy D. is better than Luck. Until then, not buying.

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If Cam entered the NFL with the Seattle, and RW entered the league in Carolina, I don't think RW would be in the conversation.  Cam would have been labeled as an immediate winner, and never would have suffered all of the losing and controversy.

 

Seattle's defense, o-line, and running game put RW into the perfect situation for a rookie QB, only now has Cam's team caught up.  Some of the haters will never mention this, but please believe that if any other QB had to deal with as much as Cam had to this would be brought up in defense.

 

All I hear now about Kaep and Luck's struggles are about the injuries and weapons and bad o-line, Cam has been dealing with that from day 1, level the playing field and all of a sudden we truly get to see who is better than who.  Cam overcame adversity, let's see how these other players are viewed once they deal with some adversity, I'm curious because other than RG3, they've all been put in very fortunate situations.

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I think people hear IQ and get offended. I think what people mean us experience.

The experience gained by being a 3/4 year starter in college is huge. Cam didn't have that luxury and is still playing catch up. Or he was until recently.

Doesn't mean Cam is not intelligent. Just perhaps a little more green.

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