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#1 CRA

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 12:38 PM

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I think AZ and NO....provide reasonable comparisons to how our team has dealt when faced with the task we will see Sunday.  I know several people have commented Shula can't move the ball against the 3-4.  But, I think those games boil down to one simple thing.

 

Redzone failures.  Not much more.

 

@ AZ 4 - dropped TD, settle for FG

@ AZ 15 - dropped wide open 4th down

@ AZ 11 - interception

 

Game got out of hand late in the 4th.  The INT was a great play but the rest wasn't great defense.....in fact it was often bad defense and we shot ourselves in the foot.  Yet looking back we spin it as shutdown D.

 

@ NO 20 - take a sack, FG

@ NO 6 - incomplete, FG

 

This game was different than AZ.....NO actually scored big points (lots in the 2nd quarter) and for the first time really all year we got forced away from Panther football.

 

So I don't think the 3-4 is the issue....bad redzone days.  I don't think we have a bad one Sunday.  I don't think it is what opponents did as much as just poor play on our part.

 

I think we put up big points in Charlotte b/c offense should get some aid as well for more opportunities.  Rex Ryan doesn't have a Drew Brees to put up points and alter this game (and ultimately what his D will face) so he can talk to his bro as much as he wants.



#2 KaseKlosed

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 12:52 PM

Shula needs to improve his play calling against 3-4 Defenses in my opion, take advantage of LBs trying to cover WRs and TEs 



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Posted 11 December 2013 - 01:54 PM

I agree.

 

What's frustrating is that Rivera, and Shula couldn't see the writing on the wall early on in New Orleans, after experiencing that Arizona game that spiraled downward slowly. Touchdowns, not field goals. Why they have to keep learning this lesson is just baffling to me.



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Posted 11 December 2013 - 01:56 PM

I agree.

What's frustrating is that Rivera, and Shula couldn't see the writing on the wall early on in New Orleans, after experiencing that Arizona game that spiraled downward slowly. Touchdowns, not field goals. Why they have to keep learning this lesson is just baffling to me.


Brandon Lafell dropped that 3rd down pass with 15 yards to run which gave New Orleans the ball back. All season we have scored right before the half because we convert those.

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 02:00 PM

Both of those games were on the road and Cam looked lost. Our offense should be able to run better at home.



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Posted 11 December 2013 - 02:03 PM

Brandon Lafell dropped that 3rd down pass with 15 yards to run which gave New Orleans the ball back. All season we have scored right before the half because we convert those.

 

It was actually a 4th down pass. But yes, Steve's drop, and Lafell's drop hurt us of course.

 

Player execution, and the coaches game plan have to come together. But the Buffalo, and Arizona games were where Rivera supposedly learned his lesson. Yet we settled for 3 points in back to back drives on the road against the Saints. Bring back Riverboat Ron.



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Posted 11 December 2013 - 02:04 PM

Both of those games were on the road and Cam looked lost.

 

Ehhhhh. You're really reaching here. Why am I not surprised though.

 

Cam was flawless on that first drive in AZ, and our offense moved at will on both those first two drives against AZ, and NO.



#8 beastson

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 02:07 PM

Get to the redzone and score. The game completely changes when you putting points up on the board. Ask N.O, especially against a BAD team. Confidence, doubt, nervousness, mistakes, rushing to make something... all these things come into play



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Posted 11 December 2013 - 02:12 PM

Ehhhhh. You're really reaching here. Why am I not surprised though.

 

Cam was flawless on that first drive in AZ, and our offense moved at will on both those first two drives against AZ, and NO.

 

Yeah we opened both games hanging in there. When we got behind the crowd got motivated and the defense pinned their ears back. We had no answer. We put up 6 points on Arizona and 6 against New Orleans. The Saints were already celebrating when we put up that TD on 4th and 17. Is that what you call moving the ball?



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Posted 11 December 2013 - 02:14 PM

Both of those games were on the road and Cam looked lost. Our offense should be able to run better at home.

 

 Jets DB Antonio Cromartie suffered a concussion against the Raiders Sunday and is rated  a 50/50 chance to play against us. Regardless of whether he plays or not,Cam should be able to complete passes and move the chains because the Jets secondary that features Dee Millner and Ed Reed is a disaster area.



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Posted 11 December 2013 - 02:16 PM

Yeah we opened both games hanging in there. When we got behind the crowd got motivated and the defense pinned their ears back. We had no answer. We put up 6 points on Arizona and 6 against New Orleans. The Saints were already celebrating when we put up that TD on 4th and 17. Is that what you call moving the ball?

 

If we put up 14 on those first two drives, in both of those games, momentum alone would have changed the games completely. The entire point is to stop settling for field goals against top opponents. We as fans know this, why the coaches have to learn it is the problem.



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Posted 11 December 2013 - 02:18 PM

If we put up 14 on those first two drives, in both of those games, momentum alone would have changed the games completely. The entire point is to stop settling for field goals against top opponents. We as fans know this, why the coaches have to learn it is the problem.

 

Well we need to be in 4th a short. I wouldn't go for it on 4th and long either. Whatever led to us being in 4th and long is the problem, not the decision to kick the field goal.



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Posted 11 December 2013 - 02:20 PM

Well we need to be in 4th a short. I wouldn't go for it on 4th and long either. Whatever led to us being in 4th and long is the problem, not the decision to kick the field goal.

 

Rivera chose Shula as his OC, he's ultimately responsible for him. My hope is that Rivera gave him a good kick in the ass this week.



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Posted 11 December 2013 - 02:56 PM

Shula needs to improve his play calling against 3-4 Defenses in my opion, take advantage of LBs trying to cover WRs and TEs 

Shula isn't the problem.  It is blitz pickups by the offensive line and the right side in particular.



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Posted 11 December 2013 - 02:59 PM

If we put up 14 on those first two drives, in both of those games, momentum alone would have changed the games completely. The entire point is to stop settling for field goals against top opponents. We as fans know this, why the coaches have to learn it is the problem.

Of course they know they need TDs, it was mentioned that Rivera said it before the NO game several times.  It is the players not making plays to put us in that situation.  Newton should not be taking sacks at that point.  He has to be decisive and get the ball out.  There were a lot of times last week that he was very late with the ball giving the DBs time to react.  Unlike Brees who was throwing the ball before the receivers were out of their breaks. No it wasn't all his fault but he played poorly for sure.




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