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That is ridiculous to say that coaching can solve any problem.  He gives the players the plan but they have to carry it out.  I guess the game plan was for Newton to hold the ball for 4 seconds and then back out into oncoming pressure so he got sacked or overthrowing receivers by 10 yards.

 

I didnt say coaching can solve any problem. However scheme and play calling wise is all on the coaches. Execution is on the players. 

 

So if I were to see Cam getting the ball out in 2-3 seconds or scrambling and throwing the ball before WR breaks but the plays simply fail due to drops / incomplete passes / cam getting minimal yards on the scramble / ints THEN I would put in on the players. 

 

I am not seeing the above. I am seeing the same play calling ie ball control / run / longer routes etc. 

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I didnt say coaching can solve any problem. However scheme and play calling wise is all on the coaches. Execution is on the players. 

 

So if I were to see Cam getting the ball out in 2-3 seconds or scrambling and throwing the ball before WR breaks but the plays simply fail due to drops / incomplete passes / cam getting minimal yards on the scramble / ints THEN I would put in on the players. 

 

I am not seeing the above. I am seeing the same play calling ie ball control / run / longer routes etc. 

That same ball control has us averaging 23 points a game which is slightly above last year when we supposedly had a great offense.  And while we don't have as many big passing plays we have fewer interceptions, lead the league in 80 yard drives and in time of possession.  Frankly I will take that over the hit and miss big play offense of last year.

 

 

And if Cam isn't getting the ball out in 2-3 seconds it is still lack of player execution.  I am sure that Shula told him to get the ball out quickly and not hold it.

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That same ball control has us averaging 23 points a game which is slightly above last year when we supposedly had a great offense.  And while we don't have as many big passing plays we have fewer interceptions, lead the league in 80 yard drives and in time of possession.  Frankly I will take that over the hit and miss big play offense of last year.

 

 

And if Cam isn't getting the ball out in 2-3 seconds it is still lack of player execution.  I am sure that Shula told him to get the ball out quickly and not hold it.

 

Supposedly had a great offense?!? A great offense is top 5-10 in PPG / YPG. I am pretty sure that we were not close to that. Dont listen to the homers online. 

 

Everyone knows we have a ball control / establish the run / eat the clock offense. No one is gonna be scared of such an offense. 

 

You can take that offense and lose to the likes of Manning, Brees, and Brady every year. Bottom line is if we dont have a top 10 offense then we are not where we need to be on that side of the ball. Period. 

 

We need to be elite on BOTH sides of the ball. 

 

So you must think Cam is mentally retarded if he cant follow instructions and play calling ie throw the ball in 2-3 seconds BEFORE the WR breaks? You cant say its because the WR didnt get seperation as short quick passing game is built on throwing the ball before the WR makes his breaks / cuts. Cam should be throwing into windows where the WR should / will be not where he is. Thus if the WR doesnt do his job the ball would simply be an incompletion or int. That was not what was happening. We were calling the same plays we called all year. None of that is even mentioning Cam taking off running after 3 seconds which he wasnt doing. 

 

Id much rather lose TRYING the right thing. At that point we have done all we can do. Coaches and players. 

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He is the problem. As an OC you need to be able to game plan for pressure and a weak OL. ie Practice all week on short routes and getting the ball out in 2-3 seconds.

I dont want to hear about the WR not getting seperation. Until I see Cam throwing the ball BEFORE the WR breaks consistently then I will throw up the hands and say nothing else can be done.

So to recap, Cam needs to

1) Get the ball out sooner 2-3 seconds

2) Throw before the WR breaks

You can't scheme around all holes....not consistently

Talent driven league.

Shula has a weak cast around Cam. Teams can exploit that at times and that doesn't make Shula the problem. Shula is doing a great job playing complimentary football

And to throw super quick.....you need talent that can get open quick. Those also can be high risk throws. QBs generally hate the quick slant bc they are throwing often into the unknown

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Supposedly had a great offense?!? A great offense is top 5-10 in PPG / YPG. I am pretty sure that we were not close to that. Dont listen to the homers online.

Everyone knows we have a ball control / establish the run / eat the clock offense. No one is gonna be scared of such an offense.

You can take that offense and lose to the likes of Manning, Brees, and Brady every year. Bottom line is if we dont have a top 10 offense then we are not where we need to be on that side of the ball. Period.

We need to be elite on BOTH sides of the ball.

So you must think Cam is mentally retarded if he cant follow instructions and play calling ie throw the ball in 2-3 seconds BEFORE the WR breaks? You cant say its because the WR didnt get seperation as short quick passing game is built on throwing the ball before the WR makes his breaks / cuts. Cam should be throwing into windows where the WR should / will be not where he is. Thus if the WR doesnt do his job the ball would simply be an incompletion or int. That was not what was happening. We were calling the same plays we called all year. None of that is even mentioning Cam taking off running after 3 seconds which he wasnt doing.

Id much rather lose TRYING the right thing. At that point we have done all we can do. Coaches and players.

About having a scary team.....not just an offense. Can't build a super squad in today salary cap.

Saints have had some record setting offenses before and been middle of the road

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Some of you really undersell the value coaching and scheme has on football. This isnt basketball. 

 

Ive seen plenty of times a new coach or coordinator come in and take the same under preforming players from a year ago and make them into a new vastly improved unit simply due to scheme and play calling. 

 

Regardless I would rather lose trying the right way than lose playing the same style that is not working. You adjust. If the players cant execute the adjustments so be it. 

 

The bottom line was Shula was not calling specifically designed short routes in the NO game. He was using the same plays / style we used all year.That and him not making Cam take off after 3 seconds.  

 

 

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Have we abandoned having D.Will as a check down? I remember in the beginning of our winning streak we started doing it, but I don't recall our RB's doing it lately 

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Supposedly had a great offense?!? A great offense is top 5-10 in PPG / YPG. I am pretty sure that we were not close to that. Dont listen to the homers online. 

 

Everyone knows we have a ball control / establish the run / eat the clock offense. No one is gonna be scared of such an offense. 

 

You can take that offense and lose to the likes of Manning, Brees, and Brady every year. Bottom line is if we dont have a top 10 offense then we are not where we need to be on that side of the ball. Period. 

 

We need to be elite on BOTH sides of the ball. 

 

So you must think Cam is mentally retarded if he cant follow instructions and play calling ie throw the ball in 2-3 seconds BEFORE the WR breaks? You cant say its because the WR didnt get seperation as short quick passing game is built on throwing the ball before the WR makes his breaks / cuts. Cam should be throwing into windows where the WR should / will be not where he is. Thus if the WR doesnt do his job the ball would simply be an incompletion or int. That was not what was happening. We were calling the same plays we called all year. None of that is even mentioning Cam taking off running after 3 seconds which he wasnt doing. 

 

Id much rather lose TRYING the right thing. At that point we have done all we can do. Coaches and players. 

First of all if you look at the superbowl winners it is the team with the best defense not the best offense that wins.  HOw many  times has Manning's top 10 offense won a Superbowl?  How about the Giants when they beat Brady who was undefeated and quarterbacked an offensive juggernaut.  It was defense that won not offense.

 

As for the rest, players know what they are supposed to do and intelligence has little to why it doesn't happen.  It is about player matchups which is all about talent and effort.  Many of those plays we run are actually due to player input most notably Cam. The problems we have on offense are due to a  poor  O-line and average receivers.  No amount of game planning can hide that. 

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Btw, 3 straight weeks against a 3-4?????? Come Saints game and playoffs time we better be super ready

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Some of you really undersell the value coaching and scheme has on football. This isnt basketball. 

 

Ive seen plenty of times a new coach or coordinator come in and take the same under preforming players from a year ago and make them into a new vastly improved unit simply due to scheme and play calling. 

 

Regardless I would rather lose trying the right way than lose playing the same style that is not working. You adjust. If the players cant execute the adjustments so be it. 

 

The bottom line was Shula was not calling specifically designed short routes in the NO game. He was using the same plays / style we used all year.That and him not making Cam take off after 3 seconds.  

And you are looking for a scapegoat and always go to Shula and Rivera to find one.  This isn't about having new coaches come in with a different plan or scheme.  This is about a team that has killed everyone at home beating up on us and our players not playing well.

 

When Cam comes up to the line he has options to change the play, use a hot read, dump the ball to the back or throw to the short receiver or wait for a receiver to clear further down the route tree.

 

Of  course you call similar plays to what you used all year. That is what you have practiced and refined over the course of the season.  You basically get 3 days to install your offense in the regular season.  Hardy time to install all kinds of different plays.  Our average yards per pass this year is 5 yards. How exactly do you get that without mostly short passes.

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