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#49 beastson

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Posted 11 December 2013 - 09:37 PM

Btw, 3 straight weeks against a 3-4?????? Come Saints game and playoffs time we better be super ready



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Posted 11 December 2013 - 09:46 PM

Some of you really undersell the value coaching and scheme has on football. This isnt basketball. 

 

Ive seen plenty of times a new coach or coordinator come in and take the same under preforming players from a year ago and make them into a new vastly improved unit simply due to scheme and play calling. 

 

Regardless I would rather lose trying the right way than lose playing the same style that is not working. You adjust. If the players cant execute the adjustments so be it. 

 

The bottom line was Shula was not calling specifically designed short routes in the NO game. He was using the same plays / style we used all year.That and him not making Cam take off after 3 seconds.  

And you are looking for a scapegoat and always go to Shula and Rivera to find one.  This isn't about having new coaches come in with a different plan or scheme.  This is about a team that has killed everyone at home beating up on us and our players not playing well.

 

When Cam comes up to the line he has options to change the play, use a hot read, dump the ball to the back or throw to the short receiver or wait for a receiver to clear further down the route tree.

 

Of  course you call similar plays to what you used all year. That is what you have practiced and refined over the course of the season.  You basically get 3 days to install your offense in the regular season.  Hardy time to install all kinds of different plays.  Our average yards per pass this year is 5 yards. How exactly do you get that without mostly short passes.



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Posted 12 December 2013 - 12:01 AM

Have we abandoned having D.Will as a check down? I remember in the beginning of our winning streak we started doing it, but I don't recall our RB's doing it lately 

 

i still think it was there, either cam got sacked or the ball got thrown other places, i think stew got hurt on the checkdown for 16 yards

 

 

 

Sidenote: I Don't know how shula gets the blame, it's poor execution period



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Posted 12 December 2013 - 03:30 AM

And you are looking for a scapegoat and always go to Shula and Rivera to find one.  This isn't about having new coaches come in with a different plan or scheme.  This is about a team that has killed everyone at home beating up on us and our players not playing well.

 

When Cam comes up to the line he has options to change the play, use a hot read, dump the ball to the back or throw to the short receiver or wait for a receiver to clear further down the route tree.

 

Of  course you call similar plays to what you used all year. That is what you have practiced and refined over the course of the season.  You basically get 3 days to install your offense in the regular season.  Hardy time to install all kinds of different plays.  Our average yards per pass this year is 5 yards. How exactly do you get that without mostly short passes.

 

"or throw to the short receiver"

 

Thats the problem, we need more than 1 short receiver. We need multiple short receivers, 1 deep, to go along with a check down to the RB. 

 

1 short route will not cut it, which if I had to guess is the most we ran on any one play the other night. 

 

I want to see Cam getting that ball out in 3 seconds like Manning, Brady, and Brees do. If not take off running. 

 

This is rocket science. 



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Posted 12 December 2013 - 07:17 AM

Geno...enough to win the game.



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Posted 12 December 2013 - 10:18 AM

It helps to have receivers that can bail you out every now and again.

Our #1 receiver right now is like 5'9. Steve in his younger days could go up and get it, not anymore though.

Getting Cam a taller target or two who are 6'4+ would do wonders for him.

 

Agreed.

 

I was begging to get V Jax in here, but instead we decided to reward another average RB a huge contract.

 

Hurney can Burn.



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Posted 12 December 2013 - 10:21 AM

"or throw to the short receiver"

Thats the problem, we need more than 1 short receiver. We need multiple short receivers, 1 deep, to go along with a check down to the RB.

1 short route will not cut it, which if I had to guess is the most we ran on any one play the other night.

I want to see Cam getting that ball out in 3 seconds like Manning, Brady, and Brees do. If not take off running.

This is rocket science.

get rid of the ball, by throwing to whom?
Or do you want Cam to be Jimmy Clausen and throw 2/3rds of his passes to the sideline? If You were satisfied by what you saw in 2010, so be it.

When you say "get rid of the ball," maybe you should also post a picture of the field and point out the open receiver.

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Posted 12 December 2013 - 03:40 PM

I think AZ and NO....provide reasonable comparisons to how our team has dealt when faced with the task we will see Sunday.  I know several people have commented Shula can't move the ball against the 3-4.  But, I think those games boil down to one simple thing.

 

Redzone failures.  Not much more.

 

@ AZ 4 - dropped TD, settle for FG

@ AZ 15 - dropped wide open 4th down

@ AZ 11 - interception

 

Game got out of hand late in the 4th.  The INT was a great play but the rest wasn't great defense.....in fact it was often bad defense and we shot ourselves in the foot.  Yet looking back we spin it as shutdown D.

 

@ NO 20 - take a sack, FG

@ NO 6 - incomplete, FG

 

This game was different than AZ.....NO actually scored big points (lots in the 2nd quarter) and for the first time really all year we got forced away from Panther football.

 

So I don't think the 3-4 is the issue....bad redzone days.  I don't think we have a bad one Sunday.  I don't think it is what opponents did as much as just poor play on our part.

 

I think we put up big points in Charlotte b/c offense should get some aid as well for more opportunities.  Rex Ryan doesn't have a Drew Brees to put up points and alter this game (and ultimately what his D will face) so he can talk to his bro as much as he wants.

 

Score TD's and stop playing conservative......We are a far better offense when we attack the defense especially in 3rd & 4th dn........always seems to build the confidence of O and gets it in groove.

 

Idk why we don't run it more in the redzone, we had far more success than passing it.



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Posted 12 December 2013 - 05:25 PM

I think Shula needs to do better with the playcalling and Cam needs to stop shitting the bed and hit the guys that are open, not take sacks -20 yards and step into teh pocket. Also teh wrs need to catch the balls that hit them in the hands but really I think Cam just needs to play better and Shula needs to cal better plays. No more screen passes and long bombs, where is the slants, against good teams we shold take what we can. Of corse this relies on wrs not dropping them.



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Posted 12 December 2013 - 05:40 PM

I think Shula needs to do better with the playcalling and Cam needs to stop shitting the bed and hit the guys that are open, not take sacks -20 yards and step into teh pocket. Also teh wrs need to catch the balls that hit them in the hands but really I think Cam just needs to play better and Shula needs to cal better plays. No more screen passes and long bombs, where is the slants, against good teams we shold take what we can. Of corse this relies on wrs not dropping them.


Yeah Cam, why the hell aren't you stepping up into the pocket? Oh wait, yeah that's right. It's because the pocket immediately collapses, and Byron Bell is swirling around like a fairy with his arms flailing in the air while his man blows right past him practically untouched.



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Posted 12 December 2013 - 09:06 PM

get rid of the ball, by throwing to whom?
Or do you want Cam to be Jimmy Clausen and throw 2/3rds of his passes to the sideline? If You were satisfied by what you saw in 2010, so be it.

When you say "get rid of the ball," maybe you should also post a picture of the field and point out the open receiver.

 

You throw to where the WR should be BEFORE he breaks in an open window where theoretically only he can make the catch. Based on timing and ball placement. So the excuse that the WR isnt open doesnt fly for those types of routes and plays. Whether the WR was able to make the catch or not is another story. 

 

Im in South East Asia traveling for 2 months so my internet connection is pretty poo. However when I get back stateside I will rewatch the NO game and break it down with screen shots and play calls just for you. 



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Posted 12 December 2013 - 09:13 PM

Cam does have a tendency to hold the ball a tad too long. Against NO I noticed him doing much better at going thru his progressions but he still doesn't anticipate his throws the way vets like Brees and Manning do. It will come...

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