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#16 rayzor

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Posted 12 December 2013 - 12:13 PM

so dumb.

 

i hate that i ever thought it was anything close to a good idea to secure both of those guys.

i hate even more that we did it.

 

so very dumb.



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Posted 12 December 2013 - 12:14 PM

I'm referring to a holdout.  Just a thought. 

 

I don´t see Tolbert holding out. He wanted to play for us, accepted a hometown discount. I think he is a proud Panther, not one of those douchbags that don´t want their contracts any more which they once signed.



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Posted 12 December 2013 - 12:15 PM

this will drag us down for years



#19 Delhommey

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Posted 12 December 2013 - 12:15 PM

Waiting for the "Williams is still a top back" crowd...



#20 Marguide

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Posted 12 December 2013 - 12:21 PM

I have been trying to tell people this for awhile. The problem isn't acceleration of the original bonus, it's the amount of guaranteed money in the contract, and very little of that has been paid yet.

His contract is much worse than DWill's due to heavy backloading.

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Posted 12 December 2013 - 12:23 PM

is the 18 mil a post june 1 cut number?


Nope, outright. Post June 1 would save us $1.5m in 2014 (but even with an early designation, we don't get that space until after June 1) but then we'd take a hit of $12.7m in 2015, a net loss of about $4.2m in 2015 (his cap hit that year is $8.5m). Not worth it IMO.

For comparison's sake, cutting DeAngelo outright would cause dead money of $9.6m over a cap hit of $6m (loss of $3.6m). But as a June 1 cut, it'd save us $1.85m in June and only cause a $267k cap loss in 2015. Oddly enough, cutting DeAngelo June 1 the following season has about the same net effect on the cap.

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Posted 12 December 2013 - 12:23 PM

LOL @ anyone who thinks they can evaluate Barner yet



#23 Gucci Mane

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Posted 12 December 2013 - 12:25 PM

why? cutting stew would destroy our cap and we're doing fine without his production anyway... worst case he doesn't play and we're fine, best case he plays and we're even better. deangelo peaked a long time ago and iirc we can cut him with no cap hit next offseason and free up a roster spot.

 

Im just saying, anyone that thinks Stew can stay and produce is saying they're fine with injury prone under producers. Deangelo has been a career 4.5+ ypc and this year isnt that far off of that.

 

I get the cap side of things but ultimately you're going to keep the producing players.



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Posted 12 December 2013 - 12:28 PM

LOL @ anyone who thinks they can evaluate Barner yet

 

I can say for sure he needs to put on some lbs.



#25 catfang

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Posted 12 December 2013 - 12:32 PM

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#26 PhillyB

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Posted 12 December 2013 - 12:39 PM

Im just saying, anyone that thinks Stew can stay and produce is saying they're fine with injury prone under producers. Deangelo has been a career 4.5+ ypc and this year isnt that far off of that.

 

I get the cap side of things but ultimately you're going to keep the producing players.

 

at the cost of 18m+ in cap space?

 

no thanks. i'll take my losses on the 5m a year if stew never plays a snap in 2014 and use the 13m left to extend greg hardy and/or sign a FA lineman



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Posted 12 December 2013 - 12:40 PM

at the cost of 18m+ in cap space?

 

no thanks. i'll take my losses on the 5m a year if stew never plays a snap in 2014 and use the 13m left to extend greg hardy and/or sign a FA lineman

 

you think that 18 mil figure is going to stick around with DG? lol



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Posted 12 December 2013 - 12:41 PM

Im just saying, anyone that thinks Stew can stay and produce is saying they're fine with injury prone under producers. Deangelo has been a career 4.5+ ypc and this year isnt that far off of that.

 

I get the cap side of things but ultimately you're going to keep the producing players.

 

if you actually watch the games you will realize that deangelo is not very good. a lot of his yards have come in garbage time. he's done ok but not great. its time to move on.

 

i'm sorry i love the dude but he falls 90% of the time at first contact. our o-line not opening holes does hurt him. but he is nowhere near what he once was. You think another year he will stay the mediocre same or do you think he will regress? (30+ years old). we are stuck with stew because of his contract. we can only hope for the best and give barner some more snaps.
 



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Posted 12 December 2013 - 12:42 PM

you think that 18 mil figure is going to stick around with DG? lol

 

what does that even mean?



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Posted 12 December 2013 - 12:45 PM

what does that even mean?

 

Hes saying Dwill is due 18 million next year, im saying restructure. whats your question?




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