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Pat Kirwin says we don't need to change that much to win this week


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#1 panthers55

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 04:24 PM

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I was listening to Pat Kirwin talk about the game this weekend and he said the Panthers don't have to change what they did on offense even though they scored only 13 points.  He said our first and second drives lasted for 22 plays combined which meant they weren't stopping us.  We stopped ourselves and settled for field goals.  On the third drive we run the ball for 15 yards and then start throwing and get stopped.  He said we need to run the ball and control the clock and we should be fine.

 

On defense we have to stop trying so hard to jam the receiver that we don't play good defense afterwards.  We need to pressure Brees and keep things in front of us.  They are going to score points but you beat them by limiting their opportunities and slowing them down so that they have to earn everything.  Take away everything deep and make them throw in front of us and stop the YAC.  Make them settle for field goals and we should win the game.



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Posted 18 December 2013 - 04:26 PM

I'll save everyone the trouble.

 

 

 

 


Pat Kirwan is an American football coach. He began his NFL career in 1972 after coaching high school and college football. He was an area scout for the Phoenix Cardinals and Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Wikipedia
Following his own NFL career, he became a regular contributor to CNNSI and is an NFL.com senior analyst. He currently co-hosts on Sirius NFL Radio's Movin' the Chains with Jim Miller. He is the author of Take Your Eye Off the Ball: How to Watch Football by Knowing Where to Look (2010), along with David Seigerman.
 
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Posted 18 December 2013 - 04:28 PM

Love him on sirius radio, except taking idiot callers  

 

 



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Posted 18 December 2013 - 04:29 PM

Sounds like just about the same shallow analysis you find on here every tuesday

thanks for letting me know NFL on SiriusXM is not worth the subscription price p55

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 04:35 PM

Yeah re watching the game.. we missed a lot of jams.   I don't know how we fix it though.  You can't give the Saints receivers clean releases and we don't have the play making ability to run straight man for any extended period of time.  Seattle did a lot of dropping lineman into coverage.  Plus they do have the ability to play straight man.  Same with Rams..they actually have the secondary that you can play man and not expect to be torched.  Going to be interesting.



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Posted 18 December 2013 - 04:38 PM

Just the location, only change needed.



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Posted 18 December 2013 - 04:47 PM

I think last game on defense we tried too hard to be the Seahawks and forgot we don't have the secondary they have. We need to be ourselves. On offense Chud I mean Shula needs better play calling in the redzone. We drive down the field with ease then we just go full retard.



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Posted 18 December 2013 - 04:48 PM

It makes sense on paper, but I hate to show the Saints respect, but they are not most teams. They have a dynamic offense at times.

 

What Kirwin says is true... but we also have to get nasty and really try to bring the pain and go after Brees. Also when the receivers do make the catch, which they will... make sure to hit them hard with everything you got. Make them not want to catch the ball with both hands and fear getting hit the next time their number is called. No mercy. 

 

Also, turnovers... we need turnovers. Attack the ball. punch it out. Give our offense more opportunities to score and keep the ball away from them. 



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Posted 18 December 2013 - 05:07 PM

Sounds like just about the same shallow analysis you find on here every tuesday

thanks for letting me know NFL on SiriusXM is not worth the subscription price p55

 

wrong on both counts.



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Posted 18 December 2013 - 05:08 PM

thinking that field goals was a good idea was a bad idea...esp. against the saints.

 

it sent an early signal to the team that you didn't trust the offense or defense. and he did it twice.  that set the tone for the day.

 

we don't have to change much from what we do most weeks to win. what happened in new orleans was that we changed what we did back to what we used to do when we were losing.



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Posted 18 December 2013 - 05:30 PM

I was listening to Pat Kirwin talk about the game this weekend and he said the Panthers don't have to change what they did on offense even though they scored only 13 points.  He said our first and second drives lasted for 22 plays combined which meant they weren't stopping us.  We stopped ourselves and settled for field goals.  On the third drive we run the ball for 15 yards and then start throwing and get stopped.  He said we need to run the ball and control the clock and we should be fine.

 

On defense we have to stop trying so hard to jam the receiver that we don't play good defense afterwards.  We need to pressure Brees and keep things in front of us.  They are going to score points but you beat them by limiting their opportunities and slowing them down so that they have to earn everything.  Take away everything deep and make them throw in front of us and stop the YAC.  Make them settle for field goals and we should win the game.

 

In all honesty, the Offense troubles were in the redzone, just like last Sunday's game. Had the fieldgoals against the Saints been tds and the defense secondary weren't so laxed, and stopped Drew from throwing to whichever receiver of choice, the Panthers could have easily won that. Fix those small problems and Sunday's game can be the Panthers to win.

 

This team is very close to being a very strong contending team but they have isses they seriously need to handle before they get exposed. Remember the media isn't going to sit and disect this team and point out the weakness like they do with the more preferred teams. it up to the Panthers to not believe that there isn't anything wrong with their team simply because no one is making a big deal. They need to recognize their problems and fix them. Learn from the Houston Texans mistakes. 

 

Also, judging from the Saints last two losses, getting to Drew early is the name of the game. Get him out of the out of his comfort zone means getting him out of the pocket and getting in his face.



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Posted 18 December 2013 - 05:42 PM

Just the location, only change needed.

 

 

Truer words were never spoken.Playing on the road continues to be a problem for the Saints who are now 7-0 at home and 3-4 on the road, including only one win in their last five road games.

The Saints have averaged 18.4 points a game on the road compared to an average of 32.9 points a game at home,a trend that I hope continues Sunday against the Panthers.

 



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Posted 18 December 2013 - 05:42 PM

Surprise! That is exactly what Coach Rivera has been saying. Funny that, huh?

 

I would add that our secondary and LB'rs in coverage must stay with their assignments. Do not watch Brees!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

 

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Posted 18 December 2013 - 06:11 PM

NFL on XM is definitely NOT worth the price for most of us, but it depends on how desperate you are. The shows were excruciating to listen to, thats all I can say.

 

David Glen is still one of the few that I can listen to and never think to myself "this guy is a total idiot". Rome gets some stuff wrong but I like the pace of the show and the amount of info I get there, plus I dont listen often so it stays fresh. I cant stand how he refers to "clones", I will never get that. Me, you, everyone. . we're all capable of coming up with our own little intelligent solutions to everything. Im not a clone of poo. This rambling has been brought to you by "Razey is fuuuuuugged up time".

 

 

edit: oh yeah I remember why I was posting. . Kirwan and Miller were one of the few shows that was ok.



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Posted 18 December 2013 - 06:14 PM

At times in certain games we do abandon the run. I was surprised that we actually established the run and was running in full power formations and D.Will was running hard. From 20 out, we really can pound it in. Idk what it is with us and the 3-4 down there, but that last TD we scored after the block punt that's how a redzone score supposed to happen. All runs pounding it in. No throws, no read option... none of that




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