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Pat Kirwin says we don't need to change that much to win this week

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Razeyfingers    1,005

NFL on XM is definitely NOT worth the price for most of us, but it depends on how desperate you are. The shows were excruciating to listen to, thats all I can say.

 

David Glen is still one of the few that I can listen to and never think to myself "this guy is a total idiot". Rome gets some stuff wrong but I like the pace of the show and the amount of info I get there, plus I dont listen often so it stays fresh. I cant stand how he refers to "clones", I will never get that. Me, you, everyone. . we're all capable of coming up with our own little intelligent solutions to everything. Im not a clone of poo. This rambling has been brought to you by "Razey is fuuuuuugged up time".

 

 

edit: oh yeah I remember why I was posting. . Kirwan and Miller were one of the few shows that was ok.

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beastson    4,566

At times in certain games we do abandon the run. I was surprised that we actually established the run and was running in full power formations and D.Will was running hard. From 20 out, we really can pound it in. Idk what it is with us and the 3-4 down there, but that last TD we scored after the block punt that's how a redzone score supposed to happen. All runs pounding it in. No throws, no read option... none of that

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Delhommey    2,877

We didn't score TD's in the Red Zone.

We didn't pressure Brees.

We didn't tackle well.

We let receivers run free in the zone.

If someone's got a scheme that can overcome that against Sean Payton's Saints, go ahead and schedule a modeling session for your HoF Bust.

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hepcat    4,739

Getting pressure on Brees will change a lot of things for their offense.  Carolina plays a lot of soft zone coverage and if you give Brees enough time in the pocket, he will shred the defense.  

 

On offense, they need to score TDs in the red zone.  Because when the Saints get to the red zone, they score TDs.  

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MadHatter    9,524

Getting pressure on Brees will change a lot of things for their offense. Carolina plays a lot of soft zone coverage and if you give Brees enough time in the pocket, he will shred the defense.

On offense, they need to score TDs in the red zone. Because when the Saints get to the red zone, they score TDs.

Actually the saints are only 18th on the league in red zone TD%

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hepcat    4,739

Actually the saints are only 18th on the league in red zone TD%

 

That may be true, but in the last game against New Orleans, the Saints scored TDs on 4 out of 5 trips to the red zone and kicked a 19 yard FG on the other (meaning they were practically on the goal line).  Carolina meanwhile only got into the red zone twice.  They kicked a FG early in the game, then scored a TD at the end of the game on 4th down.  So not only did New Orleans beat them in Red Zone %, they did a great job preventing Carolina from even getting there.  

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frash.exe    10,840

wrong on both counts.

 

It's the same damn 3 bullet points every time

 

1. run ball control

2. pressure qb guy

3. ecksecushon

 

So there's one of two things going on here. Pat Kirwan isn't very perceptive himself, or he knows his listeners can't comprehend anything more complicated than basic football strategy buzzwords. Given his experience in the NFL, I would guess the latter is true, but either way you can find better analysis on the internet for free.

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panthers55    5,379

It's the same damn 3 bullet points every time

 

1. run ball control

2. pressure qb guy

3. ecksecushon

 

So there's one of two things going on here. Pat Kirwan isn't very perceptive himself, or he knows his listeners can't comprehend anything more complicated than basic football strategy buzzwords. Given his experience in the NFL, I would guess the latter is true, but either way you can find better analysis on the internet for free.

He actually can talk both basic strategies and complex schemes depending on the audience and their expertise.  He does a great job interviewing coaches and players and obviously gets more technical as the situation requires. However one of his gifts is to be able to make something complicated understandable to the veryday fan.  His book is quite excellent and does a great job explaining basics and then going into more complicated concepts as the reader's interest is piqued or his knowledge expands.

 

As for better analysis, he is generally considered one of the more knowledgeable guys behind the mike. He was talking about the games this weekend and who he thought would win not engaging in in depth analysis of how the panthers can win.  Give the guy a break.  

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panthers55    5,379

Sounds like just about the same shallow analysis you find on here every tuesday

thanks for letting me know NFL on SiriusXM is not worth the subscription price p55

Sirius is about the best place to listen to coach interview, players interviews and discussions about football typically by people who played the game and in Kirwin's case was a general manager for the Jets.  If you miss him you miss a gem.

 

 Funny that you would criticize him for giving a shallow analysis by making an even shallower analysis given you haven't even listened to him enough to have an informed opinion.

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frash.exe    10,840

Well I'd say your review of my review of his review of the game this Sunday is pretty shallow and uninformed

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2jakefansinva    1,821

It's the same damn 3 bullet points every time

 

1. run ball control

2. pressure qb guy

3. ecksecushon

 

So there's one of two things going on here. Pat Kirwan isn't very perceptive himself, or he knows his listeners can't comprehend anything more complicated than basic football strategy buzzwords. Given his experience in the NFL, I would guess the latter is true, but either way you can find better analysis on the internet for free.

 

wrong again..............your on a roll !!

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panthers55    5,379

Yeah re watching the game.. we missed a lot of jams.   I don't know how we fix it though.  You can't give the Saints receivers clean releases and we don't have the play making ability to run straight man for any extended period of time.  Seattle did a lot of dropping lineman into coverage.  Plus they do have the ability to play straight man.  Same with Rams..they actually have the secondary that you can play man and not expect to be torched.  Going to be interesting.

You are right our scheme does require good man corners on the outside. You know that finding a couple of good corners is a priority going forward whether through the draft or someone already on the team. We are going to have to go with who we have and hope they can make plays like Captain did against the Jets. At this point you know what you have and what you don't. At this stage of the season you need to be playing at a playoff level of performnace if you want to go deep into January. Guys are going to have to step up and make plays on both sides of the ball. Whichever team makes the critical plays at the right time will win. It has always been that way and this Sunday is no different. I hope whatever they did during the game which was successful 2 weeks ago they come out doing right away mixed with better execution and a better pressure scheme. I think we come out confident and motivated. Like we did last year against Atlanta. They need to come out mad. Just like Steve Smith does every game. It is time for him to break out. Lead the way and cement his place in Panther lore. The icing on the cake. Make a resurgence with the playoffs in sight.

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