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Nice article on Gettleman

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He made us a playoff caliber squad and saved us about 20 million in one off-season. If you ain't sold by now, then you never will be.

Well, we're only a playoff caliber squad because of Cam and his running ability, and he didn't draft him. In fact, there were talks that Cam might not be his type of QB. Let the man earn his accolade. This is still mostly a Hurney team absent 2-3 starters. Nobody really know what his image of this team is. For all we know he could decide to go full retard and draft 7 defensive players in hope of building the perfect defense with no offense to complement it.

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For all we know he could decide to go full retard and draft 7 defensive players in hope of building the perfect defense with no offense to complement it.

For all we know, he could draft 7 punters this year. Since thats the logic youre going to use, are you going to hold this against him as well? In mere months, he solved a vast majority of multiple years worth of contract and roster mistakes. No one is saying hes the greatest GM that ever lived.

But excuse people for being optimistic that the man who built the late-2000s giants and turned us into potential super bowl contenders over the course of a few months, is here for a while.

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Certainly like what I've seen so far. 

 

8 picks in the draft this year and maybe a little more cap wiggle room. We'll see what happens.

 

We only have 7 picks in the draft this year, we have no 6th rounder.

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I seriously doubt that.

Look at how the comically absurd number of games we were winning.....yet lost in 2011 and 2012.

An aggressive Ron with that offense.....easily wouldn't of had 2 losing seasons. He played it back the book in tons of games putting it on a weakness to finish out games.

Old Ron was in just about every single game.....Riverboat wouldn't of played it safe putting a weak D in so many bad spots.

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And how many wins did we acquire with our lackluster pieces on defense in the last two years? Say what you will but Star, Short, Mitchell, Lester, Florence, White, and Klein have all made impacts this season. Without them, I doubt we'd be 10-4.

Without RR changing his coaching style..... we would be a 6-8 win team again. Which is why we started off the season looking just like the panthers of old

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John Fox would still have a job if Hurney would've gotten him a qb earlier, not overpaid Delhomme and others, and been a GM instead of bff's with the whole roster...I could go on but I'm at work and plus I dont like defending obvious points.

Hurney was a coaches GM....Jake was Fox's QB at the end

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Did you just get out of the Looney Bin? Or did you fail to follow the Panthers' offseason moves at all? Gettleman restructured: Kalil, Gross, Williams, Beason, Nakamura, Olsen and most recently Charles Johnson. Gettlemagic freed up almost $20 mil.

The contract issues do still exist, but did you expect him to erase years of poor cap management in one measly offseason? He made some serious progress.

No I don't expect them to be solved in one offseason..... Which is why I am not giving DG the credit for solving it.

All DG did outside of Beason was Hurney-magicing Hunrey deals: Which Hurney would have had to do.

This next offseason DG will be tested.....he will show what he is....

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Well, we're only a playoff caliber squad because of Cam and his running ability, and he didn't draft him. In fact, there were talks that Cam might not be his type of QB. Let the man earn his accolade. This is still mostly a Hurney team absent 2-3 starters. Nobody really know what his image of this team is. For all we know he could decide to go full retard and draft 7 defensive players in hope of building the perfect defense with no offense to complement it.

 

JR probably smacked the taste out of Gettleman's mouth when the thought of Cam not being "his" qb popped up.

 

We need offensive weapons, he better get em this offseason

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And how many wins did we acquire with our lackluster pieces on defense in the last two years? Say what you will but Star, Short, Mitchell, Lester, Florence, White, and Klein have all made impacts this season. Without them, I doubt we'd be 10-4.

our D was top 10 last year and most of our lost came by less than 7 points. So, we were pretty much one good draft away from turning it around. Because of Cam we control the clock and keep our defense off the field for a prolong period of time, keeping the secondary from being exposed. But I do appreciate the fact that he veered away from the read option intensive offense. If a GM couldn't turn this team around they don't deserve their position. This team has the potential to be the team to beat in the league for years, gettleman's job is to not derail that.

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JR probably smacked the taste out of Gettleman's mouth when the thought of Cam not being "his" qb popped up.

We need offensive weapons, he better get em this offseason

The only people who thought cam wasnt getts' QB were CRA, James Dator and all the overreacting whiners on this board (you know who you are *ahem* Charlottepanther)

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For all we know, he could draft 7 punters this year. Since thats the logic youre going to use, are you going to hold this against him as well? In mere months, he solved a vast majority of multiple years worth of contract and roster mistakes. No one is saying hes the greatest GM that ever lived.

But excuse people for being optimistic that the man who built the late-2000s giants and turned us into potential super bowl contenders over the course of a few months, is here for a while.

When I see the panthers, I see a team that's very Cam-dependent and it hasn't changed in Gettleman's tenure so far. When I see a franchise WR, a #2 WR and a good OL then I'll see his vision of a winning organization. For now, all these Cam rushing for more yards than the RBs to put points on the board is nothing we haven't seen before. And yes, I too am optimistic, but for now I only see Hurney's vision on the field and nobody can argue that.

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JR probably smacked the taste out of Gettleman's mouth when the thought of Cam not being "his" qb popped up.

 

We need offensive weapons, he better get em this offseason

This is the easiest team to coach and be a GM for because of Cam. Because of him you can do pretty much anything and everything on offense. Only QB in the league where you can have average WRs, RB play, OL and still put 30 on teams with ease. Against the Jets, a pretty good defense, I think we scored on 6 of 7 of our first  possessions the announcer stated. And all of that is credited to the GM and coaches but in reality it's because teams don't know how to play Cam. Do you waste a spy? do you blitz? can you play man coverage? You give Bilicheck those miss matches he'd probably win 5-6 superbowls. Billicheck would probably find 2 good TEs, a couple sure-handed possession slot receivers, beef up the OL, and dink&dunk his way down the field and play ball control power football. Bilicheck would probably go for it on every 4th&1, even on his side of the field.

 

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No I don't expect them to be solved in one offseason..... Which is why I am not giving DG the credit for solving it.

All DG did outside of Beason was Hurney-magicing Hunrey deals: Which Hurney would have had to do.

This next offseason DG will be tested.....he will show what he is....

That's where I stand also. This team could have easily been 10-4 last year also, absent some bad last minute coaching decisions. That Matt Ryan heave deep from his endzone and Rivera's lack of balls to go for it on 4th down are a couple of examples. Let's not give Gettleman all the credits now, this is still a Hurney squad.

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This is the easiest team to coach and be a GM for because of Cam. Because of him you can do pretty much anything and everything on offense. Only QB in the league where you can have average WRs, RB play, OL and still put 30 on teams with ease. Against the Jets, a pretty good defense, I think we scored on 6 of 7 of our first  possessions the announcer stated. And all of that is credited to the GM and coaches but in reality it's because teams don't know how to play Cam. Do you waste a spy? do you blitz? can you play man coverage? You give Bilicheck those miss matches he'd probably win 5-6 superbowls. Billicheck would probably find 2 good TEs, a couple sure-handed possession slot receivers, beef up the OL, and dink&dunk his way down the field and play ball control power football. Bilicheck would probably go for it on every 4th&1, even on his side of the field.

 

On the money

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No I don't expect them to be solved in one offseason..... Which is why I am not giving DG the credit for solving it.

All DG did outside of Beason was Hurney-magicing Hunrey deals: Which Hurney would have had to do.

This next offseason DG will be tested.....he will show what he is....

 

Look, I get why you want to give Hurney some credit for this team. In fact, he deserves some. No one would deny that the core of the team are guys that Hurney brought in with a specific vision in mind and we're now beginning to see the fruits of his labor, even though he's no longer here to enjoy them. But he's not here for a reason and that reason is not Ron Rivera. Teams get rid of head coaches much more often than they get rid of their GMs. Hurney is no longer employed here because he was a poor cap manager. And just because he was able to get us under the cap each year by the skin of his teeth is not "Hurney magic." That's Hurney tragic. Because true cap management is not as short-sighted as Hurney's management plan. You need to be able to account for things like re-signing your back-to-back ROTY winners, your standout DEs, and you plan for those things over the long term as opposed to waiting to deal with them as they come up and getting caught with your pants down. When Hurney left the team was in a cap crisis. Too many guys making too much money and we would never have been able to add the other pieces to make this team complete and competitive. So it's VERY unfair to say that all DG did was "Hurney magic Hurney deals" and that Hurney would have had to do that anyways. It's BECAUSE of Hurney that those problems were even there.

 

Furthermore, Gettleman has brought his own vision to the team, his own philosophy and FINALLY we're getting some of the things we've been asking for for a long time. Since Jenkins/Buckner this team has needed good defensive tackles to compliment and take pressure off the talented ends and it wasn't until this year that we've finally got a great rotation in the middle. And look at the dividends its paid for our defense and the whole team by extension. And yes, we do need to bring in some more offensive weapons including lineman (cause they can be weapons, too) but Rome wasn't built in a day and great teams that are built to last aren't constructed in one off-season.

 

My bottom line: Quit sipping your 40oz of the Hurndog and recognize that the strides we've made under Gettleman are in spite of the poor situation Hurney left us with not because of the great things he did here. Gettleman doesn't deserve the title of world's greatest GM but he deserves to be recognized for the progress we've made and being instrumental to that success. That you just seem completely incapable of giving Gettleman even a modicum of credit completely blows my mind.

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