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Nice article on Gettleman

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Please don't spread rumors. 

 

He only communicated, he didn't want Cam running as much (taking unnecessary hits, with too many called runs), as we, various experts and the coaching staff all agreed. 

 

Cam can run (especially when the play breaks down). He just shouldn't run too much short yardage, or Read Option, where he's exposed to extra hits. 

 

By the way: Gettleman, compared Cam to Eli Manning, which is/was an apt description in many facets' though not all, of course. So I don't feel Cam, 'wasn't his type of QB', based on those comments. 

 

I did like your earlier comments [though], on how easy it must be for a GM, and Gettleman to be at the helm with Cam, as he can make a mediocre line and Wideouts appear credible, and sometimes very good. You described the challenges, the opposition must face on defense (and what a Panther head coach can do with him) very well. 

 

I agree with everything you just said except the eli comparison, Cam doesn't toss a lot of picks.

 

Cam reminds be a more athletic Big Ben

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A lot of jackasses commenting on this article

 

www.derp/2013/10/11/4828060/what-if-carolina-panthers-dave-gettleman-trade-cam-newton

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Look, I get why you want to give Hurney some credit for this team. In fact, he deserves some. No one would deny that the core of the team are guys that Hurney brought in with a specific vision in mind and we're now beginning to see the fruits of his labor, even though he's no longer here to enjoy them. But he's not here for a reason and that reason is not Ron Rivera. Teams get rid of head coaches much more often than they get rid of their GMs. Hurney is no longer employed here because he was a poor cap manager. And just because he was able to get us under the cap each year by the skin of his teeth is not "Hurney magic." That's Hurney tragic. Because true cap management is not as short-sighted as Hurney's management plan. You need to be able to account for things like re-signing your back-to-back ROTY winners, your standout DEs, and you plan for those things over the long term as opposed to waiting to deal with them as they come up and getting caught with your pants down. When Hurney left the team was in a cap crisis. Too many guys making too much money and we would never have been able to add the other pieces to make this team complete and competitive. So it's VERY unfair to say that all DG did was "Hurney magic Hurney deals" and that Hurney would have had to do that anyways. It's BECAUSE of Hurney that those problems were even there.

Furthermore, Gettleman has brought his own vision to the team, his own philosophy and FINALLY we're getting some of the things we've been asking for for a long time. Since Jenkins/Buckner this team has needed good defensive tackles to compliment and take pressure off the talented ends and it wasn't until this year that we've finally got a great rotation in the middle. And look at the dividends its paid for our defense and the whole team by extension. And yes, we do need to bring in some more offensive weapons including lineman (cause they can be weapons, too) but Rome wasn't built in a day and great teams that are built to last aren't constructed in one off-season.

My bottom line: Quit sipping your 40oz of the Hurndog and recognize that the strides we've made under Gettleman are in spite of the poor situation Hurney left us with not because of the great things he did here. Gettleman doesn't deserve the title of world's greatest GM but he deserves to be recognized for the progress we've made and being instrumental to that success. That you just seem completely incapable of giving Gettleman even a modicum of credit completely blows my mind.

Great post. Would pie again.

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The thing is, Hurney was one of the main reasons this team has one of the most talented front sevens in the league, as well as one of the reasons we have Cam.  But along with that, he's also one of the reason we have obscene sums of money locked up into running backs, why we're in cap hell, and why we went so long without a winning season.

 

I'm fine with giving Hurney props - he sure knew how to pick in the first round - but his cap management and wheeling and dealing left this team reeling for years...

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Look at how the comically absurd number of games we were winning.....yet lost in 2011 and 2012.

An aggressive Ron with that offense.....easily wouldn't of had 2 losing seasons. He played it back the book in tons of games putting it on a weakness to finish out games.

Old Ron was in just about every single game.....Riverboat wouldn't of played it safe putting a weak D in so many bad spots.

If he still had a Hurney-built roster, it wouldn't matter.

Do you really think the man who responded "I don't know" when Jerry Richardson asked him how he was going to fix things could have gotten us where we are now?

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Look, I get why you want to give Hurney some credit for this team. In fact, he deserves some. No one would deny that the core of the team are guys that Hurney brought in with a specific vision in mind and we're now beginning to see the fruits of his labor, even though he's no longer here to enjoy them. But he's not here for a reason and that reason is not Ron Rivera. Teams get rid of head coaches much more often than they get rid of their GMs. Hurney is no longer employed here because he was a poor cap manager. And just because he was able to get us under the cap each year by the skin of his teeth is not "Hurney magic." That's Hurney tragic. Because true cap management is not as short-sighted as Hurney's management plan. You need to be able to account for things like re-signing your back-to-back ROTY winners, your standout DEs, and you plan for those things over the long term as opposed to waiting to deal with them as they come up and getting caught with your pants down. When Hurney left the team was in a cap crisis. Too many guys making too much money and we would never have been able to add the other pieces to make this team complete and competitive. So it's VERY unfair to say that all DG did was "Hurney magic Hurney deals" and that Hurney would have had to do that anyways. It's BECAUSE of Hurney that those problems were even there.

Furthermore, Gettleman has brought his own vision to the team, his own philosophy and FINALLY we're getting some of the things we've been asking for for a long time. Since Jenkins/Buckner this team has needed good defensive tackles to compliment and take pressure off the talented ends and it wasn't until this year that we've finally got a great rotation in the middle. And look at the dividends its paid for our defense and the whole team by extension. And yes, we do need to bring in some more offensive weapons including lineman (cause they can be weapons, too) but Rome wasn't built in a day and great teams that are built to last aren't constructed in one off-season.

My bottom line: Quit sipping your 40oz of the Hurndog and recognize that the strides we've made under Gettleman are in spite of the poor situation Hurney left us with not because of the great things he did here. Gettleman doesn't deserve the title of world's greatest GM but he deserves to be recognized for the progress we've made and being instrumental to that success. That you just seem completely incapable of giving Gettleman even a modicum of credit completely blows my mind.

Well said.

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I agree with everything you just said except the eli comparison, Cam doesn't toss a lot of picks.

 

Cam reminds be a more athletic Big Ben

 

He compared him to Manning, cause they were both big, downfield passers. 

 

The difference of course: Cam has proven he can throw the short and intermediate stuff in his third year, while Eli hates it. That's why Manning's throwing so many of the aforementioned picks. Eli  doesn't' know how to mix it up well, or take what the defense gives him. 

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Been reading the back and forth, on how much credit Gettleman should get, and for what.

 

 

Hmmmh. I also have a feeling, Gettlemen may have looked at the tape, and expressed to Ron he was coaching too conservative, helping Rivera's development.

 

Yeah, Ron may not have listened through the first 4 games (based on his coaching, up until that point). However, after Buffalo, maybe a light bulb went off (with or with out Gettleman's additional comments), based of some prior discussion they had. 

 

I say this because: No competent, sincere GM, could look at the Panthers tape the past two years, and not offer Rivera any constructive criticism or advice on his coaching style. 

 

Not sure, Hurney had that type of authority and credibility with Rivera. 

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Here's what you most need to understand about the difference between Hurney and Gettleman...

Imagine for a moment that you got a job managing a group of diamond inspectors, except you have no actual experience inspecting diamonds yourself. You'd essentially just have to try and figure out who knew their stuff and who didn't. And maybe over time, by trial and error you'd get to the point of being half decent, but minus any actual expertise of your own, you'll likely never be great.

That was Hurney. He had a staff of college scouts and pro scouts to educate and inform him, but he himself was never a scout and thus he had no special perspective of his own to offer.

Lemme tell ya, when the man with the least qualifications is the man who makes the final decisions, it ain't good.

Ah, but now things have changed. These days the guy managing the diamond inspectors is an expert diamond inspector in his own right. He knows who knows their stuff and who doesn't because he knows his stuff. He's not judging from a vacuum. And the result is more informed decision making in the front office.

If you get nothing else, at least get that.

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The thing is, Hurney was one of the main reasons this team has one of the most talented front sevens in the league, as well as one of the reasons we have Cam. But along with that, he's also one of the reason we have obscene sums of money locked up into running backs, why we're in cap hell, and why we went so long without a winning season.

I'm fine with giving Hurney props - he sure knew how to pick in the first round - but his cap management and wheeling and dealing left this team reeling for years...

He built a great 'surrounding 5' IMO, he blatantly ignored adding legit DT talent to the roster ever since Jenkins left.. DTs are what make or break front 7s IMO and we have Gettleman and co. to credit for adding 2 stud ones to our roster for years to come.

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