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#21 mav1234

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 04:29 PM

It means that through industry, we're treating the planet and  as if they were the jews in the holocaust. As it is, the human population acts more like a disease to the planet.

 

 

 

So diseases aren't natural?



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Posted 03 January 2014 - 04:32 PM

I've seen all the animal rights propaganda videos there are to see. Doesn't change much for me. Although I probably eat less livestock than most Americans.

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 04:35 PM

So diseases aren't natural?


The state of dis-ease is not natural, no. What's natural is balance and flow; both of which we are doing a very good job of dismantling.

 



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Posted 03 January 2014 - 04:35 PM

Are we really so sheltered that people don't know how where their food comes from anymore?

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 04:39 PM

The state of dis-ease is not natural, no. What's natural is balance and flow; both of which we are doing a very good job of dismantling.

 

 

pretty much what's "natural" is toil, struggle, and exploitation.  kinda the history of life on earth, don't you think?

 

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humans are natural.  we are "agents" of the natural world.  thus, everything we do is natural.

 

but being natural doesn't mean we should destroy everything.

 

however, the idea humans are unique in destroying environments is absolutely false.  plenty of organisms change their environments, either in very large or smaller ways.

 

beavers, anyone?  

 

I mean humans are an extreme.  but what makes us so fascinating is we are now reaching a point where we can look at what we're doing and say "wait - there are alternatives to this that can still allow us to survive."



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Posted 03 January 2014 - 05:07 PM

pretty much what's "natural" is toil, struggle, and exploitation.  kinda the history of life on earth, don't you think?


Agreed. But don't you think this type of behavior becomes unnatural as soon as we have the ability as a species to recognize its toxicity? Usually at these breaking points is where our evolution or demise steps in, as we choose it.
 



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Posted 03 January 2014 - 05:11 PM

 

however, the idea humans are unique in destroying environments is absolutely false.  plenty of organisms change their environments, either in very large or smaller ways.

 

beavers, anyone?  

 

I mean humans are an extreme.  but what makes us so fascinating is we are now reaching a point where we can look at what we're doing and say "wait - there are alternatives to this that can still allow us to survive."


The problem with our case is that we're doing everything to the EXTREME, which results in significant loss of balance and flow, thus states of dis-ease.
 



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Posted 03 January 2014 - 05:15 PM

 

Agreed. But don't you think this type of behavior becomes unnatural as soon as we have the ability as a species to recognize its toxicity? Usually at these breaking points is where our evolution or demise steps in, as we choose it.
 

 

Not unnatural, no.  I think it becomes unhealthy and in some ways inexcusable.

 

 

The problem with our case is that we're doing everything to the EXTREME, which results in significant loss of balance and flow, thus states of dis-ease.
 

 

I don't really think there is a natural state of balance at all.

 

Again, I don't think this excuses our behavior.  Quite the opposite, the fact that, imo, nature is chaos and struggle, to me says that since we are capable of being different and doing so may help prevent a lot of struggle and pain we have an obligation to be.  But meh.

 

 



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Posted 03 January 2014 - 05:23 PM

 

 

 

Not unnatural, no.  I think it becomes unhealthy and in some ways inexcusable.

 

 

 

I don't really think there is a natural state of balance at all.

 

Again, I don't think this excuses our behavior.  Quite the opposite, the fact that, imo, nature is chaos and struggle, to me says that since we are capable of being different and doing so may help prevent a lot of struggle and pain we have an obligation to be.  But meh.

 


I guess I tend to look at unhealthy and unnatural as being the same thing in a way. There will always be the natural balance of yin and yang, but once one starts to overpower the other, this balance gets lost and morphs into unnatural states. Just my opinion though.

 



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Posted 03 January 2014 - 05:35 PM

I guess I tend to look at unhealthy and unnatural as being the same thing in a way. There will always be the natural balance of ying and yang, but once one starts to overpower the other, this balance gets lost and morphs into unnatural states. Just my opinion though.

 

 

I guess my study in ecology, evolution, and natural history has lead me to the conclusion there is no balance to the "natural world" and it's all in a constant state of flux and struggle and that we basically see "natural flow" because we don't look closely enough at the processes underlying it all sometimes.  But that's also just my opinion. :)

 

but I think you and I are on the same page on this one, we just are using different terminology and see the place of humanity different.  Just was curious about your opinion on it.  Always good chatting with you on this stuff. :)




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