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#16 carolina-chuck

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Posted 06 January 2014 - 12:03 PM

I guess he is so well likes because of the good trades he made but I think any of us would have drafted Drummond or Beal at #2.

 

 

Yes Cho's drafting has been questionable.

 

The MKG and Zeller picks both surprised me when they happened, especially the Zeller pick.  I know it's early in his career, but Zeller is a 7-footer who does not play under the basket much, it seems like he's better when playing like a traditional power forward then when trying to be a stretch four and missing jump shots.

 

I've never understood the passing on Bradley Beal or Ben McLemoure when you need scorers, 3 point shooters.

 

This team is amazing in the fact that they can hang with Indiana and Miami one night, then get killed the next by a lesser team the next.  The big issue is consistency.

 

It also sucked that Jeffery Taylor got hurt, he was starting to develop, he had a great leap and he could also hit the 3 from the corner.  But like everyone else on the team it seems, he also had his cold streaks.

 

What that tells me, even if the team makes the playoffs this year, they are not consistent enough to win 7 game series, so they need more talent, via draft or otherwise.

 

I was between Beal and MKG in the 2012 draft. Then, made up my mind on MKG. Was very, very high on him. But, my decision doesnt matter bc Im not Cho. Cho who is paid to scout/draft players shouldve been smart enough to see a guy like Beal or Drummond. Hindsight 20/20, the MKG pick is very questionable and could turn out being a bad pick.

 

The Zeller pick is just flat out bad. Im not ruling the kid out but again we needed a SG badly and we passed up on McLemore. Even Noel would have made more sense in regard to the signing of Jefferson and long term.



#17 carolina-chuck

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Posted 06 January 2014 - 12:12 PM

I would also say that MKG and Biz are huge projects so we still have to be patient with those two. They are going to take multiple seasons to get to where their potential may take them.

 

I just see the "projects" being used as excuses. I would assume that Cho didnt see MKG as a project at the time. If he did, he wouldnt have taken him. We all thought that he could come and in step right into being a solid starter. After we saw how bad his shots were, we then tagged him as a project. I would assume that if Cho really wanted to take a so called "project" player, he would have went with Drummond. Everyone pretty much agreed before the draft that Drummond was raw and needed time. Everyone was wrong.



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Posted 06 January 2014 - 12:12 PM

Slightly off topic, but MKG isn't nearly as bad as our fans make him out to be. The only players in that draft that make more of an impact than MKG are Lillard (who we didn't need because of Kemba), Drummond, and John Henson (who would've been a reach at the time). I'm not counting Davis since we had no shot to get him. The only thing that Waiters, Beal, and Barnes is scoring and that's literally it. The scoring that they bring isn't even efficient scoring, it's low 40% shooting without getting to the FT line. Granted Beal is a great shooter, and Barnes is a very good shooter and we obviously could have used that, but MKG just offers so much more to the table. MKG might not have an elite jumpshot (although he was knocking down 40% of his 35 mid range shots before he got hurt), but MKG is a top tier defender, has the heart of a lion, is the ultimate teammate, a top tier rebounder for his position, and is very good in transition. I'm a little disappointed that he hasn't developed any three point range, a little disappointed that his playmaking ability isn't as good as everyone thought, and a bit disappointed in his lack of aggression in slashing to the basket, but overall he has absolutely been at the very least on par with anyone that we could have chosen other than the three I listed earlier (Lillard, Drummond, Henson). This is coming from a guy that pre-draft was screaming "anyone but MKG!". 



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Posted 06 January 2014 - 12:20 PM

This is the biggest thing to me, personally.  Cho seemed absolutely infatuated by Bismack, and I'm not entirely sure why.  Sure, the guy is super athletic, but he was raw as hell as a basketball player and still is.  He was a gigantic project to take with that pick.  And that's not just an "in hindsight" observation.  I went to the draft party at Time Warner that night and everyone around me wanted Kemba and Kawhi.  EVERYONE.  These are fans we're talking about, not experts with all this analytic magic.  Had we done that, there's no need to draft MKG and we probably end up drafting Drummond.  So now you're talking about a core of Kemba, Kawhi and Drummond, which is pretty damn nice.  Does he still take Zeller in this scenario?  Probably, because he had the "Bismack Crush" on him too.  But even in that instance, we don't need to offer Big Al his big contract because now we have two promising young big guys down low and a ton of cap room.  I feel like the poor drafting has really derailed the rebuilding movement.
 

 

exactly.



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Posted 06 January 2014 - 12:40 PM

I just see the "projects" being used as excuses. I would assume that Cho didnt see MKG as a project at the time. If he did, he wouldnt have taken him. We all thought that he could come and in step right into being a solid starter. After we saw how bad his shots were, we then tagged him as a project. I would assume that if Cho really wanted to take a so called "project" player, he would have went with Drummond. Everyone pretty much agreed before the draft that Drummond was raw and needed time. Everyone was wrong.


There can be more than one project in a class.

MKG was going to defend and rebound fairly well, and everyone knew that. But anyone with half a brain could see he was going to struggle offensively.

#21 carolina-chuck

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Posted 06 January 2014 - 12:48 PM

Slightly off topic, but MKG isn't nearly as bad as our fans make him out to be. The only players in that draft that make more of an impact than MKG are Lillard (who we didn't need because of Kemba), Drummond, and John Henson (who would've been a reach at the time). I'm not counting Davis since we had no shot to get him. The only thing that Waiters, Beal, and Barnes is scoring and that's literally it. The scoring that they bring isn't even efficient scoring, it's low 40% shooting without getting to the FT line. Granted Beal is a great shooter, and Barnes is a very good shooter and we obviously could have used that, but MKG just offers so much more to the table. MKG might not have an elite jumpshot (although he was knocking down 40% of his 35 mid range shots before he got hurt), but MKG is a top tier defender, has the heart of a lion, is the ultimate teammate, a top tier rebounder for his position, and is very good in transition. I'm a little disappointed that he hasn't developed any three point range, a little disappointed that his playmaking ability isn't as good as everyone thought, and a bit disappointed in his lack of aggression in slashing to the basket, but overall he has absolutely been at the very least on par with anyone that we could have chosen other than the three I listed earlier (Lillard, Drummond, Henson). This is coming from a guy that pre-draft was screaming "anyone but MKG!". 

 

I was all over MKG before the draft. Shed some tears of joy when we drafted the kid, but I have been really disappointed with his performance so far.

 

MKG is a good rebounder and in transition and Im not questioning that. Especially, not going to question his heart. But he's missing the "it" factor. That "it" factor is the knack to just play basketball. Some guy has it and some just dont. MKG's ball handling is pretty bad and he cannot create space. At times, the ball is dead in his hands. 

 

What made him the no2 overall pick was his ability to get to the basket. And, that's not happening bc in the NBA level you better be good with the ball in your hands.



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Posted 06 January 2014 - 01:00 PM

There can be more than one project in a class.

MKG was going to defend and rebound fairly well, and everyone knew that. But anyone with half a brain could see he was going to struggle offensively.

 

I never said there couldnt be more than one project in a class. I said Drummond was tagged as the raw prospect. No one said that about MKG until now.

 

Hindsight 20/20, you can now say with confident that you saw he was going to struggle offensively. I could have three full brain and I wouldnt have saw that. Nor, did I see that Drummond was going to contribute instantly. 

 

Before and right after the draft, Charlotte fans thought he was going to impact immediately. Most people saw him as a 12-14ppg and 7rpg guy. We all thought he was going to easily get to the basket, rebound, and play hard defense (showed in last year Summer League). Once we saw how bad his shot and handling were in the regular season, everyone took their words back.



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Posted 06 January 2014 - 02:04 PM

I was suprised with MKG but not really against him, I think the Zeller pick the next year, the continuation of ignoring the SG position is what makes the MKG pick look questionable in retrospect.

 

I still remember the video of the Zeller shoot-around where he went around the 3 point line just draining three's, and the camera pans over and you see Cho with this giant smile on his face like he can't believe what he is seeing.  At this point, even though he is a rookie, I would favor giving Zeller more minutes just to see how he responds and if it helps him develop more.  If he lacks that instinct, that competition that some just naturally have, then I don't think he will pan out.

 

Also true about MKG with his shot struggle after he got started, leading up to that season there was more optimism with him and he didn't have that reputation with his shot looking that bad.

 

I still haven't given up on MKG, I like him quite a bit, but if your SF is going to have that type of offensive game, you need someone who can shoot to balance it out.

 

 



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Posted 06 January 2014 - 09:31 PM

I just don't get how you draft a guy who is a SF but can't shoot the ball worth a damn. Makes no sense. 



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Posted 06 January 2014 - 10:04 PM

I just don't get how you draft a guy who is a SF but can't shoot the ball worth a damn. Makes no sense. 

 

As bad as MJ has been for this Franchise, I think that MJ could've made better picks in the last two years. I would assume that MJ would have went with his UNC Barnes, a sharp shooter in Beal, or big in Drummond for 2012 and especially with McLemore this past draft.



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Posted 07 January 2014 - 02:27 AM

We should go back to having mj draft the players. He's the best at drafting

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Posted 07 January 2014 - 02:30 AM

I was between Beal and MKG in the 2012 draft. Then, made up my mind on MKG. Was very, very high on him. But, my decision doesnt matter bc Im not Cho. Cho who is paid to scout/draft players shouldve been smart enough to see a guy like Beal or Drummond. Hindsight 20/20, the MKG pick is very questionable and could turn out being a bad pick.

 

The Zeller pick is just flat out bad. Im not ruling the kid out but again we needed a SG badly and we passed up on McLemore. Even Noel would have made more sense in regard to the signing of Jefferson and long term.

 

My friend invited me over to watch the draft and eat pizza and we just knew we had gotten a steal in Noel and then when they said Zeller's name our mouths literally dropped to the floor.



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Posted 07 January 2014 - 07:38 AM

My friend invited me over to watch the draft and eat pizza and we just knew we had gotten a steal in Noel and then when they said Zeller's name our mouths literally dropped to the floor.

 

Same here. It happened to everyone.



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Posted 07 January 2014 - 07:39 AM

We should go back to having mj draft the players. He's the best at drafting

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Im not saying that MJ was ever good. I'm trying to show just how bad we are even when MJ isnt picking.



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Posted 07 January 2014 - 07:47 AM

Same here. It happened to everyone.

 

I'm not sure why anyone was shocked by Zeller being picked, he was linked with Charlotte before the draft and insiders were saying that Charlotte wouldn't pass on him no matter who was available. 

 

Biz and MKG weren't horrible picks, the team wasn't trying to compete. They were trying to build a team long term, they took two projects that were defensive stoppers with suspect offense. 

 

Zeller himself is a project as a stretch 4, they expect him to be able to develop a 3pt shot and then be able to use that and his drive ability to develop into a stretch 4 with some playmaking ability. 

 

The whole point was to get talent and stay bad enough to build a deep young core of guys.The OKC formula, which apparently was ended abruptly and a year earlier then OKC did. Remember we are just counting the Cho years here. 

 

That's why most of the NBA experts, insiders and so forth were shocked by the Jefferson pick up. 




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