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For All The Crap Cam Took In College, Why Does Jameis Get A Pass?


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#13 Delhommey

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Posted 07 January 2014 - 12:03 PM

I'm not gonna lie Del, that was incredibly awkward and uncomfortable. But, I've come to expect that from the media. And if i'm not mistaken, Cam was asked about the NCAA stuff during their championship run, either before or after games. I don't remember if the laptop stuff got brought up, but i'm fairly certain his dad did. IIRC, there was a similarly awkward moment when a reporter asked Cam about the NCAA stuff and/or how it affected him not having his dad around the team for the home stretch. That's the media. But, in no way do the media ever hype up Cam "the person," like they have Jameis. I was just saying for as many similarities as there are in the stories (accusations of scandal/crimes, best players on the field, team leaders, won the Hesiman and national championship in their first and only year as starters, etc.), Jameis' has been built up as possibly being even better than he is, while Cam was torn down for what he was not. Like I said, I've enjoyed watching him play and no doubt he's got a bright future, but the media's handling of their public personas has baffled me.

 

Here is one prime example of the media hating on Cam:

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Also, when Verne Lundquist told the story about Cam Newton during one of the games, he said Cam Newton left Florida because of The Golden Calf of Bristol starting, skipping the laptop story all together.

 

Then there was this special

 

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Which was favorable to Cam. 

 

And lets not forget Cam DID steal the laptop. His dad DID take money. And still he was given pretty favorable media his Heisman year.

 

You're chasing a story that isn't there.



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Posted 07 January 2014 - 12:12 PM

 

And lets not forget Cam DID steal the laptop. His dad DID take money. And still he was given pretty favorable media his Heisman year.

 

You're chasing a story that isn't there.

 

 

 

I think the official story is Cam had a stolen (hot) laptop, but he did not steal it himself.  Still dumb, but not the same.

 

 

Edit: err, after looking at more articles real quick, not quite sure what really happened.



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Posted 07 January 2014 - 12:14 PM

Here is one prime example of the media hating on Cam:
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Also, when Verne Lundquist told the story about Cam Newton during one of the games, he said Cam Newton left Florida because of The Golden Calf of Bristol starting, skipping the laptop story all together.

Then there was this special

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Which was favorable to Cam.

And lets not forget Cam DID steal the laptop. His dad DID take money. And still he was given pretty favorable media his Heisman year.

You're chasing a story that isn't there.


I wasn't aware of the Lundquist story. As far as "favorable media," I agree, but I got the impression during his run that it was only pertaining to his on-field play. I remember him getting huge hype for what he was doing on the field, but off it, all I remember is the pay for play crap and every so often the Florida stuff...

I'm not trying to make a big deal about it, because I am a fan. I think i'm extra sensitive about Cam's coverage and how he is portrayed because I saw similarities between my background/demeanor and his, minus the incredibly gifted athlete part.

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Posted 07 January 2014 - 12:21 PM

I swear you people hear voices in your head

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Posted 07 January 2014 - 12:26 PM

And then there's crap like this, of course, Tweeted during Winston's speech:

 

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(AJ McCarron's mom)

 

And stuff like this:

 

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And yes Cam was left off of 119 Heisman ballots. But Winston was left off of 115. 

 

The coverage of them has been pretty similar.

 

As far as the "fake smile" business, all that came out during and after the draft process, which Winston hasn't gone through yet.

 



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Posted 07 January 2014 - 12:48 PM

They called Cam a fake, phony, insincere... I suspect a lot of it was because of his crazy super powered swag, but also in part due to what happened at Florida.

But, Jameis isn't nearly as charismatic and IMO is a less eloquent speaker than Cam, and he was accused of rape (which I don't believe was a rape, for the record). Regardless, every time he speaks, I get the impression that he is "putting on" for the cameras. I never felt like that for certain with Cam, even before he was our QB.

Jameis' post game description of the conversation in the final huddle between players is a prime example of what I'm talking about... that was so uncomfortably awkward and unbelievable, if not completely impossible.

Just an observation... I've been a fan of his game since before the season started, but his on-camera demeanor/personality just seems to me, to be the epitome of what the media tried to make Cam out to be and he never was - a fake, phony, fraud, etc.

I just find it to be an interesting case study... ESPN has continuously hyped and built him up despite his fabricated personality and questionable quotables, notwithstanding rape accusations, while they bashed Cam non-stop through college and the pros until this year.

Not to beat a dead horse, but I'm just saying I don't get the Cam hate all of these years and yet, Jameis has not only gotten a pass, but has been hyped and marketed to no end.

 

Ask someone you are friends with/work with/is in your family that you know is not a Cam Newton fan. It doesn't matter if they like the panthers or not. Just ask them "Why don't you like Cam/or think he sucks?"

 

I've done this several times and the response is always "He's a douche" or "He's an arrogant asshole" or "I don't like his attidude" - no real concrete argument on why they think he sucks or they don't like him except for an opinion on how he handles himself. 



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Posted 07 January 2014 - 09:16 PM

When Cam won the SEC Championship game, did the sideline reporter hound him about his laptop scandal or his father's large payday?

 

 

"Gets a pass" my ass.

 

YES they did. As a matter of fact, They made a big deal over Cam's father supposedly attending the game. 

 

Also, why is this kid being hounded for something that he's been cleared of? I guess innocent unil proven guilty is just as selective as the labels, "elite and tradition."



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Posted 07 January 2014 - 09:19 PM

Ask someone you are friends with/work with/is in your family that you know is not a Cam Newton fan. It doesn't matter if they like the panthers or not. Just ask them "Why don't you like Cam/or think he sucks?"

 

I've done this several times and the response is always "He's a douche" or "He's an arrogant asshole" or "I don't like his attidude" - no real concrete argument on why they think he sucks or they don't like him except for an opinion on how he handles himself. 

 

What does that tell you? Today's media plays into the prejudices, racist and ignorance of their fans simple to push their own agenda. 

 

As someone posted on another site, many hate Cam because they can.



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Posted 07 January 2014 - 09:20 PM

because jameis is white

 

If he was this thread wouldn't have been created. :)



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Posted 07 January 2014 - 09:38 PM

lol are you serious, i hear fans calling jameis a rapist and saying he will be a bust in the nfl.. a lot of people hate certain type of qb's( for whatever reason)

 

 

FSU was down 18 yesterday, and Winston needed to complete a final drive with 1:19 left in the game, and he didnt flinch... Andrew Luck plays like numbnuts every first half, but always gets comebacks( and he is praised for being clutch).... Why does Winston get hate for doing the same... some qb's will never be respected.... look at the qb's in the nfl right now, and look at the ones that are hated( what do most have in common)....

 

It's funny how so many sit and love tying to show how lacking in intelligence QBs like Cam and this kid is. I swear I wish I got paid everything such ignorance is shown. I wouldn't be able to own an island by now. 

 

Also, funny how no one makes fun of Luck and his inability to speak articulately, But I guess that's because everyone who goes to Stanford is automatically seen as intelligent and other more real reasons. 



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Posted 07 January 2014 - 10:53 PM

They called Cam a fake, phony, insincere... I suspect a lot of it was because of his crazy super powered swag, but also in part due to what happened at Florida.

But, Jameis isn't nearly as charismatic and IMO is a less eloquent speaker than Cam, and he was accused of rape (which I don't believe was a rape, for the record). Regardless, every time he speaks, I get the impression that he is "putting on" for the cameras. I never felt like that for certain with Cam, even before he was our QB.

Jameis' post game description of the conversation in the final huddle between players is a prime example of what I'm talking about... that was so uncomfortably awkward and unbelievable, if not completely impossible.

Just an observation... I've been a fan of his game since before the season started, but his on-camera demeanor/personality just seems to me, to be the epitome of what the media tried to make Cam out to be and he never was - a fake, phony, fraud, etc.

I just find it to be an interesting case study... ESPN has continuously hyped and built him up despite his fabricated personality and questionable quotables, notwithstanding rape accusations, while they bashed Cam non-stop through college and the pros until this year.

Not to beat a dead horse, but I'm just saying I don't get the Cam hate all of these years and yet, Jameis has not only gotten a pass, but has been hyped and marketed to no end.

 

 

Diddy, really?

 

Let it go man. Worry about Cam and Cam only.

 

Winston along with a lot of other QBs are good people. This thread is dumb and plain stupid. Dont call out another QB just bc your QB (Cam) doesnt get a pass. You along with all Carolina fans, including myself knows exactly how it feels having the media constantly attacking a QB. Please dont do the same to a talented young QB who hasnt even begin his career yet.

 

P.S.

Manziel is the only exception. You can attack him all you want. The kid is a stud tho.

 



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Posted 08 January 2014 - 01:52 AM

If he was this thread wouldn't have been created. :)

what is that supposed to mean?