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#61 Semaj

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Posted 09 January 2014 - 11:41 PM

Wonderlic Score 2011:

 

Cam Newton, Auburn - 21

 

Colin "King" Kaepernick, Nevada - 38  (Also he got accepted to Harvard, but declined)

 

 

 

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 Get outta here with that BS.   OK yeah we should have drafted Kap because of his superior wonderlic score.  Seriously can you be that dumb????



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Posted 09 January 2014 - 11:42 PM

CK is reportedly a smart guy. That is true. At some point, the coaches are going to have to throw him in the deep end to see if he sinks or swims. Chances are, he will get better at the intricacies as his experience and responsibilities grow.

 

Cam had an "advantage" that Colin didn't. He came into a team with low expectations, so the coaches could afford to take some lumps while teaching Cam the finer points of QB'ing. Colin came to a winning team and replaced a winning QB, so the emphasis was on winning, not on developing his skill set.

 

That said, Cam's desire to be great and his willingness to do whatever it takes to continually improve are what sets him apart from many of his peers. Not everyone has those particular characteristics. 

 

What Cam is doing now is equivalent to undergraduate work. Once his understanding of the game catches up with his physical abilities, look out NFL. Colin may progress rapidly too, but no one will know for sure until the coaches take off his training wheels.



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Posted 09 January 2014 - 11:43 PM

49er fans fighting on a Panther MB, is this real life??

 

 

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Posted 09 January 2014 - 11:47 PM

The Wonderlic test is a sham test

 

Terry Bradshaw scored a 16

 

Dan Marino (imo the best pure passer ever) scored a 16

 

Jim Kelly scored a 15

 

It means nothing, please don't bring it up as an argument tool



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Posted 09 January 2014 - 11:49 PM

Wonderlic Score 2011:

 

Cam Newton, Auburn - 21

 

Colin "King" Kaepernick, Nevada - 38  (Also he got accepted to Harvard, but declined)

 

 

 

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Ryan Fitzpatrick destroyed the Wonderlic and went to Harvard. What's your point?

 



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Posted 09 January 2014 - 11:50 PM

CK is reportedly a smart guy. That is true. At some point, the coaches are going to have to throw him in the deep end to see if he sinks or swims. Chances are, he will get better at the intricacies as his experience and responsibilities grow.

 

Cam had an "advantage" that Colin didn't. He came into a team with low expectations, so the coaches could afford to take some lumps while teaching Cam the finer points of QB'ing. Colin came to a winning team and replaced a winning QB, so the emphasis was on winning, not on developing his skill set.

 

That said, Cam's desire to be great and his willingness to do whatever it takes to continually improve are what sets him apart from many of his peers. Not everyone has those particular characteristics. 

 

What Cam is doing now is equivalent to undergraduate work. Once his understanding of the game catches up with his physical abilities, look out NFL. Colin may progress rapidly too, but no one will know for sure until the coaches take off his training wheels.

When we drafted Colin we had just come off a losing season, so Colin didn't come into a winning team.

Also, did the Packers not not emphasize teaching Rodgers when Favre was still their? Did Walsh not emphasize teaching Young when we had Montana? 

I really don't think teams fail to properly teach backup QBs because they have a winning record. 



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Posted 09 January 2014 - 11:51 PM

Ryan Fitzpatrick destroyed the Wonderlic and went to Harvard. What's your point?

 

I'm not OP but people were claiming Colin is stupid. He just pointed out that Colin is book smart, very book smart. How this relates to the game.... not too much. 



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Posted 09 January 2014 - 11:52 PM

So my question to the Niner fans roaming around...would you take Cam over Colin?



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Posted 10 January 2014 - 12:02 AM

So my question to the Niner fans roaming around...would you take Cam over Colin?

 

From my observations, this board seems to believe Colin is significantly worse than Cam. I don't believe this to be true. I think they are very even. I like Cam's completion percentage / more TDs, but colin throws less INTS/ INT % and has a better QB rating. 

People criticize Colin's progressions (which he needs a lot of help in), but he has started only 23 games compared to Cam's 48 --- that's more than a whole regular season's worth. Also, Colin has shown he can play well in the post season, home and away. Cam may prove this but it is an unknown. 

Ultimately, their stats are very similar and the players are very close. I don't think either is significantly better than the other. 



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Posted 10 January 2014 - 12:07 AM

CK is reportedly a smart guy. That is true. At some point, the coaches are going to have to throw him in the deep end to see if he sinks or swims. Chances are, he will get better at the intricacies as his experience and responsibilities grow.

 

Cam had an "advantage" that Colin didn't. He came into a team with low expectations, so the coaches could afford to take some lumps while teaching Cam the finer points of QB'ing. Colin came to a winning team and replaced a winning QB, so the emphasis was on winning, not on developing his skill set.

 

That said, Cam's desire to be great and his willingness to do whatever it takes to continually improve are what sets him apart from many of his peers. Not everyone has those particular characteristics. 

 

What Cam is doing now is equivalent to undergraduate work. Once his understanding of the game catches up with his physical abilities, look out NFL. Colin may progress rapidly too, but no one will know for sure until the coaches take off his training wheels.

 

this is spot on about CK.

 

9ers can't afford to take the lumps with CK because their Super Bowl window is NOW.

 

He's gonna have to learn (i think he is fully capable) to grow into what we want Cam to eventually become. But Cam is much, much farther than CK developmentally.



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Posted 10 January 2014 - 12:09 AM

From my observations, this board seems to believe Colin is significantly worse than Cam. I don't believe this to be true. I think they are very even. I like Cam's completion percentage / more TDs, but colin throws less INTS/ INT % and has a better QB rating. 

People criticize Colin's progressions (which he needs a lot of help in), but he has started only 23 games compared to Cam's 48 --- that's more than a whole regular season's worth. Also, Colin has shown he can play well in the post season, home and away. Cam may prove this but it is an unknown. 

Ultimately, their stats are very similar and the players are very close. I don't think either is significantly better than the other. 

If you hat it your way you would kidnap Cam in a heart beat.

 

Cam is putting up better stats with a significantly worse supporting cast

 

Kaep has v.davis, crabtree, boldin, manningham? and a top 5 o-line

 

Cam is several tiers better than Kaep

 

Blame it on Harbaugh



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Posted 10 January 2014 - 12:11 AM

Kaep is a smart kid but he is being hampered by the system he is in

 

Kaep is 26 years old, Cam is 24



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Posted 10 January 2014 - 12:15 AM

If you hat it your way you would kidnap Cam in a heart beat.

 

Cam is putting up better stats with a significantly worse supporting cast

 

Kaep has v.davis, crabtree, boldin, manningham? and a top 5 o-line

 

Cam is several tiers better than Kaep

 

Blame it on Harbaugh

Manningham only played a few games and didn't recover from his ACL surgery so we put him on IR. Crab missed 2/3rd of the regular season, so Colin didnt have most of these weapons for most of the season.
However, is Cam "several tiers" above Kaep? What do you base this on... you say his stats are better, but that isn't obvious. Their stats are mostly identical. What makes Cam so much better than Colin? 



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Posted 10 January 2014 - 12:20 AM

Let's settle this. Book Smarts: Kaep > Cam. Football Smarts: Cam > Kaep. This message board is here for us to discuss football. Therefore, I'll take Cam.



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Posted 10 January 2014 - 12:27 AM

Manningham only played a few games and didn't recover from his ACL surgery so we put him on IR. Crab missed 2/3rd of the regular season, so Colin didnt have most of these weapons for most of the season.
However, is Cam "several tiers" above Kaep? What do you base this on... you say his stats are better, but that isn't obvious. Their stats are mostly identical. What makes Cam so much better than Colin? 

 

he's been asked to do more with less

 

kaep has been asked to do less with more.

 

developmentally Cam is a couple tiers above Colin. If you watch Cam's first full season compared to Colin's it's laughable.

 

when we got a team around Cam and he began to develop and go through his progressions, read defenses, make the right keys, audible to better plays we began seeing Cam as a better overall player. A savvy, heady player to go along with his physical skills.

 

The reason why Cam's stats have dipped this year is because we have no true #1. He is playing WITHIN the team's talent.  But Cam has shouldered the offensive load while Kaepernick has not.

 

All these reasons make Cam a couple tiers above Kaepernick. It's also a bit of an eye test thing. Doesn't mean I don't think he could get there cause i do. Should make for some epic showdowns in years to come between these two teams.




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