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#133 stirs

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Posted 15 January 2014 - 07:40 AM

Rivera and McD went from doghouse to candidates for coach of the year and interviewing for other coaching gigs.

 

Did the coaching thing just come on them all of a sudden and out of the blue?  What was the difference in this year and last?

 

Answer:  Infusion of players, namely the 1st and 2nd rounders on the DLine.

 

 

Gman is now set to do the same for the offense (and Shula)



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Posted 15 January 2014 - 08:30 AM

Meanwhile whilst all you are arguing about Shula and how bad his offense is the Seahawks ranked 26th and Niners 29th are playing for the NFC conference title and a place in the Super Bowl.
Too many people are concerned with stats these days! Surely the only meaningful stat is the amount of W's and we went 12-4 now whether that's based on defence or offense I believe mainly defence, but the offense had it's moments I mean the four game winning drives were in essence to finish off what the defence had created for us. All I care about is winning and we went 12-4 so I don't see an issue. Winning football is played in many ways it's not all Detroit throw it's 500 yards to megatron for huge exciting plays!

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Posted 15 January 2014 - 09:53 AM

First...I am not your bro.

Second, you are wrong and everyone sees it.

Now run off and catch the bus.

 

 

whatever you say bra



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Posted 15 January 2014 - 10:12 AM

Some posters in here are at that point of an argument where it doesn't even make sense anymore.  

 

Basically, we should expect Gettleman to make some hard moves and it's the reality of the situation and I think he's got the acumen to hold on to the right long term pieces for this soon to be perrenial playoff franchise.    

   Yeah I loved his press conference. He doesn't sugar coat things and admits there's no way to magically fix our cap problem. We just have to work through it.  Like Gettleman said every team has let a good player walk. The teams that sustain success have to do it. I'm glad that we finally have someone willing to make those decisions and is competent enough to make the right ones.

    I think people are waaayy too worried about Hardy. That logic had us franchise Peppers, overpay CJ, Beason, DWill, Stew, and Godfrey. Hurney made too many sentimental decisions. Can't do that anymore and I'm GLAD Gettleman won't. Hardy is awesome but everyone forgets he was a 5th rd pick and didn't blow up until last year, Who's to say that the same thing won't happen with Alexander or one of the other young guys who have shown just as much/maybe more as Hardy did before 2012. We gotta stop being the dude that's afraid to let his girlfriend walk because he's afraid he can't get another girl.

    Rivera will put a top 5-10 D on the field next year with or without Hardy.

 



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Posted 15 January 2014 - 10:28 AM

   Yeah I loved his press conference. He doesn't sugar coat things and admits there's no way to magically fix our cap problem. We just have to work through it.  Like Gettleman said every team has let a good player walk. The teams that sustain success have to do it. I'm glad that we finally have someone willing to make those decisions and is competent enough to make the right ones.

    I think people are waaayy too worried about Hardy. That logic had us franchise Peppers, overpay CJ, Beason, DWill, Stew, and Godfrey. Hurney made too many sentimental decisions. Can't do that anymore and I'm GLAD Gettleman won't. Hardy is awesome but everyone forgets he was a 5th rd pick and didn't blow up until last year, Who's to say that the same thing won't happen with Alexander or one of the other young guys who have shown just as much/maybe more as Hardy did before 2012. We gotta stop being the dude that's afraid to let his girlfriend walk because he's afraid he can't get another girl.

    Rivera will put a top 5-10 D on the field next year with or without Hardy.

Lets wait and see what happens. Gettleman's press conference was as much posturing as anything as he goes into contract negotiations with Hardy and other players.  Other than Umenyoira who was hurt when they released him, exactly how many D line studs did the Giants let walk in the past decade?  I could be wrong but I don't remember that many.

 

And for the record, Hardy was a 6th round pick.



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Posted 15 January 2014 - 10:29 AM

Can Gman talk Dwill and Stew into taking a paycut?



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Posted 15 January 2014 - 10:38 AM

Can Gman talk Dwill and Stew into taking a paycut?

Gman has no leverage to do that.  If D Williams says no, you have  a cap hit of 5 million for the next 2 years in dead cap money if you cut him and if you keep him his cap hit will be 6 million.  Similarly with Stewart you can't cut him for at least 2 years so why would  a player take  a cut?  For the good of the team?  Beason only did it because he wanted to be traded and wanted to be more desirable to another team with a low salary. We still are eating 8 million in dead cap space in 2014 for that move.  This is a business and both players and GMs know that the window for making big bucks is small.  Just like Hardy won't be taking a big discount here unless he really wants to be here. Who knows though, he is a little strange.



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Posted 15 January 2014 - 10:39 AM

Can Gman talk Dwill and Stew into taking a paycut?

not sure he has any leverage w/ Stewart....

 

the threat of a June 1 cut and Williams having to relocate could work in Carolina's favor. 



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Posted 15 January 2014 - 10:50 AM

   Yeah I loved his press conference. He doesn't sugar coat things and admits there's no way to magically fix our cap problem. We just have to work through it.  Like Gettleman said every team has let a good player walk. The teams that sustain success have to do it. I'm glad that we finally have someone willing to make those decisions and is competent enough to make the right ones.

    I think people are waaayy too worried about Hardy. That logic had us franchise Peppers, overpay CJ, Beason, DWill, Stew, and Godfrey. Hurney made too many sentimental decisions. Can't do that anymore and I'm GLAD Gettleman won't. Hardy is awesome but everyone forgets he was a 5th rd pick and didn't blow up until last year, Who's to say that the same thing won't happen with Alexander or one of the other young guys who have shown just as much/maybe more as Hardy did before 2012. We gotta stop being the dude that's afraid to let his girlfriend walk because he's afraid he can't get another girl.

    Rivera will put a top 5-10 D on the field next year with or without Hardy.

 

Yep.  He talks about business decisions and what's best for the franchise.  If at the end of the day and after looking at everything we can make the room to really improve the offense by cutting ties with Hardy, let's do it.  The D can most definitely sustain their way of play, especially being on a Ron Rivera-Sean McDermott football team.  Even the secondary will be able to get that much better too if we don't weigh the $$ down on ODLs that much.  

 

Teams will want him so we should try to do the tag and trade.  

 

We're looking at $19 million in cap space this coming offseason.  Would you really want to spend at least 60% of that on one guy on a great defensive line?  We need to balance the team out to get better right now because of Hurney.  Players may go who people like, but again it's the reality of the NFL.    



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Posted 15 January 2014 - 11:05 AM

Yep.  He talks about business decisions and what's best for the franchise.  If at the end of the day and after looking at everything we can make the room to really improve the offense by cutting ties with Hardy, let's do it.  The D can most definitely sustain their way of play, especially being on a Ron Rivera-Sean McDermott football team.  Even the secondary will be able to get that much better too if we don't weigh the $$ down on ODLs that much.  

 

Teams will want him so we should try to do the tag and trade.  

 

We're looking at $19 million in cap space this coming offseason.  Would you really want to spend at least 60% of that on one guy on a great defensive line?  We need to balance the team out to get better right now because of Hurney.  Players may go who people like, but again it's the reality of the NFL.    

 

I am assuming that $19 mil figure has to cover draftees as well. So if 19 mil is the real cap, then how much money are we actually dealing with after paying rookies?



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Posted 15 January 2014 - 12:52 PM

Lets wait and see what happens. Gettleman's press conference was as much posturing as anything as he goes into contract negotiations with Hardy and other players.  Other than Umenyoira who was hurt when they released him, exactly how many D line studs did the Giants let walk in the past decade?  I could be wrong but I don't remember that many.

 

And for the record, Hardy was a 6th round pick.

   Alright but that minor detail doesn't negate my whole point dude.

 

    We all would like Hardy on the team, I just don't see how you pay both him and CJ that kind of money and don't hamstring the team all over again. The teams that win consistently don't let the players hold them at ransom. I would not have paid CJ that much money. We are classically bad at overpaying players. We are still paying for Hurney paying Deangelo top dollar and then doing the same with Stew, now you want to do it again except much bigger numbers? What's CJ's cap hit this year? Like 16-19mil? How are you going to have 2 of those contracts while improving the team and  resigning Cam? Maybe if Charles drastically restructures.

   

     I really wish people would stop throwing every Panthers' decision back to the Giants. Gettleman was not the GM so DID NOT have the final say so on roster decisions so who knows what moves he was advocating behind closed doors. His job was to evaluate players not make the tough financial decisions...which he just hinted that he is willing to do. I feel very confident he will sort it all out for the best.

  

    Of course its just wait and see. It's just my opinion, could be as wrong as any. Hardy's words just sound like he wants Peppers/CJ type money. Good for him but  if that's the case I don't think they should/can do it.