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#16 Panthro

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Posted 15 January 2014 - 10:17 PM

meh....there's more to it than that. It lets the market set the price instead of us...which is what we should have done with a number of our players.



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Posted 15 January 2014 - 10:19 PM

This is why not many teams trade away Fran players. Way too much cost to the other team.

#18 ItsNotGonnaBeAlright

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Posted 15 January 2014 - 10:29 PM

meh....there's more to it than that. It lets the market set the price instead of us...which is what we should have done with a number of our players.

Letting the player hit free agency unrestricted would accomplish the same thing. The new CBA pretty much made the transition tag a useless thing.



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Posted 15 January 2014 - 11:05 PM

I'm pretty sure a franchised player can be traded for whatever the teams agree on. If a non-exclusive franchised player negotiates with another team and the original team doesn't match the offer the compensation is the next two first round picks from the signing team. But that's if the player negotiates with another team, cutting the original team out of the loop. If we franchise Hardy and he signs the tender, we could then turn around and trade him for whatever we wanted to, no subsequent "offsetting trades" or anything like that necessary. *I think*

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Posted 15 January 2014 - 11:08 PM

I'm pretty sure a franchised player can be traded for whatever the teams agree on. If a non-exclusive franchised player negotiates with another team and the original team doesn't match the offer the compensation is the next two first round picks from the signing team. But that's if the player negotiates with another team, cutting the original team out of the loop. If we franchise Hardy and he signs the tender, we could then turn around and trade him for whatever we wanted to, no subsequent "offsetting trades" or anything like that necessary. *I think*

That would mean Hardy signed the one year contract he was offered for $12.8 million. At that point, he could be traded the same as any other player for what the hell ever. Before signing that contract, the compensation is two first rounders, no discussion.



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Posted 15 January 2014 - 11:20 PM

Tried to look it up but couldn't find anything solid.  Where did you find this info? 



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Posted 15 January 2014 - 11:56 PM


As for the RFA stuff, I have no idea.


Just learned this myself while researching tenders and tags.

3 years service = RFA
4 years service = UFA

All drafted rookies get 4 year deals (with fifth year options for first rounders).

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Posted 16 January 2014 - 12:58 AM

Didn't realize the nonesclusive was non-negation able.

 

 

you missed transition tag

 

blaaaaaarg

 

 

This Kraken stuff is so reminding me of the Peppers debacle.

 

http://www.carolinah...q/?hl=franchise

 

2 major changes here.

 

No chance Gettleman completely hamstrings the Panthers offseason moves by FTing 76 and eventually being forcred to ink him sometime in July as our previous bumbling cap idiot/GM did.

 

Kraken is not Peppers. A moody sometimes motivated football player who had evidently zero trade value as evidenced by Hurney completely mismanaging player personnel moves for not one but two years.

 

If Getts perceives Hardy has some trade value he will A: FT Hardy and attempt to get value for him as the Patriots did for Matt Cassel.

B: blink if the market is not there and withdraw the Tag, waiting for Compensatory picks a year later as we did in the 3rd round for Peppers after Hurney's complete failures.

 

Keys to note a successful outcome:

 

 

Cassel, who hadn't started the previous seven seasons with Southern California and the Patriots, led New England to an 11-5 record, but no playoff berth, after Brady suffered a season-ending knee injury in the opener -- on a hit by Kansas City's Bernard Pollard, who said it was an "accident."

Cassel's steady improvement sent his stock soaring as he entered free agency. So the Patriots put the franchise tag on him, requiring any team that signed him to give them two first-round picks. But that tag would have cost the Patriots $14.65 million if they kept Cassel as insurance if Brady's health was questionable.

 

Patriots accepted 2nd round (pick 34) compensation for Cassell, another brilliant New England player personnel move.

 

 

Kraken must be  FT'd and moved early in the process for substantially less than the tag requires. Don't be fugging greedy people.

 

Key League dates:

 

January 18 -- East-West Shrine Game, Tropicana Field, St. Petersburg, Florida. January 19 -- AFC and NFC Championship Games. January 25 -- Senior Bowl, Ladd-Peebles Stadium, Mobile, Alabama. January 26 -- Pro Bowl, Aloha Stadium, Honolulu, Hawaii. February 2 -- Super Bowl XLVIII, MetLife Stadium, New York-New Jersey. February 3 -- Waiver system begins for 2014.  February 17 -- First day for clubs to designate Franchise or Transition Players. February 19-25 -- NFL Scouting Combine, Lucas Oil Stadium, Indianapolis, Indiana. March 1 -- NFL Regional Combine, One Buccaneer Place, Tampa, Florida. March 3 -- Prior to 4:00 p.m., New York time, deadline for clubs to designate Franchise or Transition Players. March 8 -- Clubs are permitted to contact, and enter into contract negotiations with, the certified agents of players who will become Unrestricted Free Agents upon the expiration of their 2013 Player Contracts at 4:00 p.m., New York time, on March 11. However, a contract cannot be executed with a new club until 4:00 p.m., New York time, on March 11. March 11 -- Top-51 Begins. All clubs must be under the 2014 Salary Cap prior to 4:00 p.m., New York time. March 11 -- All 2013 player contracts will expire at 4:00 p.m., New York time. March 11 -- The 2014 League Year and Free Agency period begin at 4:00 p.m., New York time. March 11 -- Trading period for 2014 begins at 4:00 p.m., New York time, after expiration of all 2013 contracts. April 21 -- Offseason workout program begins. May 2 -- Deadline for Restricted Free Agents to sign Offer Sheets. May 7 -- Deadline for Prior Club to exercise Right of First Refusal to Restricted Free Agents. May 8-10 -- 2014 NFL Draft, New York City, New York. June 22-28 -- Rookie Symposium. July 15 -- At 4:00 p.m., New York time, deadline for any Club that designated a Franchise Player to sign such player to a multi-year contract or extension. After this date, the player may sign only a one-year contract with his Prior Club for the 2014 season, and such contract cannot be extended until after the Club’s last regular season game. July -- Teams report to training camp no sooner than 15 days prior to the team's first preseason game.



#24 ItsNotGonnaBeAlright

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Posted 16 January 2014 - 08:35 AM

Tried to look it up but couldn't find anything solid. Where did you find this info?


It has everything to do with changes made between the last CBA and the current one. I'm at work on my phone so I can't post all the links I had. Will do so when I get home.

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Posted 16 January 2014 - 08:35 AM

 

 

 

Kraken must be  FT'd and moved early in the process for substantially less than the tag requires. Don't be fugging greedy people.

 

 

 

This is the key here.

 

Teams are no oblivious to our team, its needs and its cap space.

They know we will struggle to keep a intact core if we have pay hard the franchise tag.

 

Something like a pair of seconds (14/15), a 1st and a pair of 3rds (14, 14, 15) an early second (14, Raiders/Jacksonville). Would be an excellent compensation for a player we picked in the 6th, got insane production vs compensation value, and likely can't afford to keep.



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Posted 16 January 2014 - 08:48 AM

It's also worth noting that since the new CBA was put in place, I can't think of a player who has been franchised and then moved to another team. Also haven't found an article that mentions a trade happening.

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Posted 16 January 2014 - 08:49 AM

We can work additional picks, but that deal would technically have to be seperate from the actual deal that moves Hardy. So say we trade with Oakland. Oakland sends us their 2014 and 2015 first rounders, we send Hardy. Then, we trade Oakland the 2015 pick for their 2014 third rounder. It's also possible that we would get someone's 2015 and 2016 selections, but only if the deal happens after this year's draft.

As for the RFA stuff, I have no idea.

 

Ok, that makes sense. So we could negotiate the trade for two first rounders and then we would have to make a clause in the dealings that says we will then trade one of the first rounders they gave us for a 3rd rounder in a separate trade after the original one goes through, even though it would make sense to just do a first and third to begin with. 

 

it's almost like a "take my word for it" kind of a trade in a sense then. 



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Posted 16 January 2014 - 08:59 AM

Letting the player hit free agency unrestricted would accomplish the same thing. The new CBA pretty much made the transition tag a useless thing.

 

You might be mistaken.

 

We over payed CJ by something like $15-20M to keep him from going to Atl. If Atl set the price we could have matched it or let him walk if it was more than we wanted to pay.

 

Its only worthless if you are Hurney.



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Posted 16 January 2014 - 09:31 AM

You might be mistaken.

We over payed CJ by something like $15-20M to keep him from going to Atl. If Atl set the price we could have matched it or let him walk if it was more than we wanted to pay.

Its only worthless if you are Hurney.


I see what you're saying, but I think it only becomes a real option if its percieved that the player has no trade or the team has already used the franchise tag on another player.

Valid point though.

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Posted 16 January 2014 - 10:26 AM

This is the key here.

 

Teams are not oblivious to our team, its needs and its cap space.

They know we will struggle to keep a intact core if we have pay hard the franchise tag.

 

Something like a pair of seconds (14/15), a 1st and a pair of 3rds (14, 14, 15) an early second (14, Raiders/Jacksonville). Would be an excellent compensation for a player we picked in the 6th, got insane production vs compensation value, and likely can't afford to keep.

 

 

I'd be thrilled with that amount of compensation for Hardy in a trade but don't expect it.

A 2nd rounder would be adequate, even a 3rd rounder would mean you'd receive that compensation a year earlier than you would by waiting for an NFL granted Compensatory pick a year after the fact which depending on how many FAs we sign might not even be guaranteed.

As you say we've already gotten insane value out of this 6th rounder. 




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