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why are american minorities generally uninterested in conservative political ideology?


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#16 cookinwithgas

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Posted 19 January 2014 - 10:45 PM

I mean before civil rights legislation was passed the black folk were perfectly happy in the fields along with Phil Robertson and the rest of the white trash, they never sang the blues.



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Posted 19 January 2014 - 11:12 PM

I mean before civil rights legislation was passed the black folk were perfectly happy in the fields along with Phil Robertson and the rest of the white trash, they never sang the blues.

 

you do realize the Dems owned LA for a long long long long time right? even during the time Phil Roberston said about what he saw.



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Posted 20 January 2014 - 01:44 AM

why do people pretend political parties are static entities



#19 GOOGLE RON PAUL

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Posted 20 January 2014 - 01:49 AM

yes i believe we've established that the democratic party is worse for minorities than the republican party. now, why have they continually voted against their own best interest?



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Posted 20 January 2014 - 04:15 AM

My god people seriously. How is this even a question. Let's take a look at the past 50 years since that seems to be the bench-mark.

Post civil rights black America was a hard working, disenfranchised, group who was just discovering their voice in society. The deaths of Dr. King and brother Malcolm made non-political groups like the Black Panthers very appealing and many young blacks gravitated toward the self actualization and sense of belonging it provided. Poverty was still understandably high as most of America still operated under intensely racist rules (and continued to do so until the Clinton administration), but education was highly prized as evidenced by the many black children that attended recently desegregated schools. For all the white parents out there try and imagine sending your five year old to a school where you know they will be bullied by students and teachers alike with little to no help. Bullied for things they can't understand, hated for existing. Now, for the black parents enduring racism was common practice for them but schools were supposed to be safe. The substandard education they received didn't matter because there weren't any jobs for them to get anyway. But now not even the schools were safe! Man, the things we do to give our children the best future possible.

Back to the panthers, rumors abounded that it was a communist terrorist organization and it began to receive heavy negative press as well as intense scrutiny from the FBI. Whether these were true or not (they were not) many leaders of the party were killed suspiciously and they became infiltrated by drug dealers and gang members. (Some believe this was a gov conspiracy but I digress). This ruined the reputation of the party and politically disassembled many promising black politicians.

Another heavy political influence of the time was Nation of Islam. Their self empowerment teachings as well as their strict discipline, pride and self respect appealed to many blacks of all walks of life. Alas this was not a lasting relationship as the worship of Elijah Muhammad was not something people were willing to do on a large scale.

The remaining blacks saw a young, handsome southerner who at least was willing to continue the fight for civil rights in Kennedy and voted accordingly. The majority of those that did not vote for him didn't vote, and very few would dare vote AGAINST civil rights.

Then came the 70's. The winding down of the Vietnam war created an influx of homeless, working age males. The republican president at the time failed miserably to properly facilitate the exit of Americans from Vietnam and damaged the popularity of the party to many middle class and poor people. Couple that with the Nixon scandal and the entire country was ready for a change. (Honorable mention, desegregation was still a hot debate at this time and many black voters remembered the debates of a decade prior.)

Next up is the 80's or should I say, the beginning of the third biggest hurdle in black America behind slavery and civil rights. The introduction ( by the CIA) of crack into the inner city minority community was devastating. To say that black America took a step back is an understatement. Young males were plucked from their families in droves. The conservative media and political engine continued to popularize the war on drugs mantra and seriously alienated the poor black community who could not see their sons, brothers and fathers as the evil animals they were painted to be. Reaganomics further exacerbated the divide as segregation became financial in America (to the same effect in the black community as pre civil rights) Schools became meeting places for drug pushers and gang violence and education took second to basic safety. The economics of the time had a specific impact on the now numerous single mothers of the time. Remember these were the first few generations post segregation, that 4 or 5 year old sent to those awful situations. As women, they could already expect to be paid less than a man but the racism, sexism and economic policy to ship jobs normally filled by women to Asia and such pretty much guaranteed they would not even be able to find work. Not to mention the thousands of families who had a more direct dealing with the crack situation in America because they either succumbed to the drug themselves or were caught up in its trafficking.

In comes the 90's. Pioneering young men by the name of NWA took a fledgling entertainment vehicle called Hip Hop and used it to bring to life the horrors and abuses American citizens were being subjected to by the police and judicial system all because of the color of their skin. Innocent until proven guilty, the corner stone of American justice had no meaning when dealing with young black males. So in comes Clinton. A youngish,lol, hip guy from Arkansas who promised to tackle the very issues brought on by Reagonomics. And lo and behold he did. Education got noticeable better under Clinton, jobs returned as new regulations and taxes were placed on big business, welfare decreased as the cycle of police brutality, racial profiling and incarceration diminished some and more fathers remained the home.

But in comes Bush 2. Coupled with the commercialization and utter perversion of hip hop since the mid 90's (post NWA and only the earliest "gangsta rappers") the no child left behind act dealt a serious blow to education. The inner city and poor communities had not fully recovered from the devastation suffered in the 80's and policy of distributing money solely based on grade scores succeeded in furthering the divide between the upper middle class students and the lower to poor ones. The quality of education diminished significantly as teachers lost much of the individuality of their teaching and succumbed to the ritualization of the lesson since their jobs became tied to the outcome of standardized tests.

So of course like many Americans, we blacks welcomed CHANGE. The promise of correcting the education debacle, the introduction of healthcare even if poor, and a focus on diminishing the effects of trickle down economics through more effective taxing of the wealthy rightfully appealed to most Americans and blacks came out like never before to support it. This was not the first black candidate so he was not elected just because he was black. He was elected because he was the right man for the job.


TL:DR In conclusion Blacks didn't vote Dem in any large numbers until Clinton. C'mon people read a history book. I tried to skip over the blatant racism shown by the Republican Party since the 60's and stick to the main historical points.

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Posted 20 January 2014 - 04:26 AM

yes i believe we've established that the democratic party is worse for minorities than the republican party. now, why have they continually voted against their own best interest?


Because they do what any politician does to get votes. They lie.

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Posted 20 January 2014 - 05:09 AM

I would guess because the AA community chooses to ignore the choice of a party voting in a KKK grand dragon into a prominent political seat.  In a two party system, the choices suck pretty hard.

 

Oh well... keep up that 95% voting block for an "independent minded" group



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Posted 20 January 2014 - 04:48 PM

why do black voters vote for the party of the kkk? why would they just ignore that? can't the republican party sweep every election on a "hey we're not the kkk" platform?



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Posted 20 January 2014 - 05:23 PM

lesser of two evils, straight ticket voting and more Reps that are white will do that.



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Posted 20 January 2014 - 05:27 PM

why do black voters vote for the party of the kkk? why would they just ignore that? can't the republican party sweep every election on a "hey we're not the kkk" platform?

 

More free stuff?

 

Can't run against Santa Claus. 
 



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Posted 20 January 2014 - 05:53 PM

lesser of two evils

 

the party of the kkk is the lesser of two evils to minorities?

 

 

 straight ticket voting 

 

are minorities the only voters with access to straight ticket voting?

 

 

and more Reps that are white

 

why is the republican party the white people party?



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Posted 20 January 2014 - 05:54 PM

More free stuff?

 

Can't run against Santa Claus. 
 

 

why aren't democrats sweeping every election? doesn't everyone want free stuff? what's with all of the white people voting republican?



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Posted 20 January 2014 - 05:57 PM

aren't there white people who vote Dems?



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Posted 20 January 2014 - 05:59 PM

why aren't democrats sweeping every election? doesn't everyone want free stuff? what's with all of the white people voting republican?

 

No...everyone doesn't want free stuff because they know it's not really free.  When a large % of the population doesn't end up actually paying into the system as much as they take, there's no incentive and more reason to vote for free stuff. 

 

Remove withholding entirely.

 

Make people have to write a check every month for the taxes they owe from their paychecks. 

 

Not that that will make a hill of difference, but it might sway an ignorant portion of moderates/independents/middle class. 



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Posted 20 January 2014 - 06:00 PM


aren't there white people who vote Dems?

 

yes

 

the topic is "why are american minorities generally uninterested in conservative political ideology"

 

how does your post address that?




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