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David Newton ranking our 21 FAs by importance (updated 21 thru 5)

2014 Free Agency David Newton ranking Carolina Panthers

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#46 Peppers90 NC

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Posted 22 January 2014 - 11:44 AM

1. Hardy

2. Gross

3. Mitchell

4. Ginn

5. Munnerlyn



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Posted 22 January 2014 - 11:47 AM

At first that seemed absurd, but the fact is Lafell is supposed to be our clear cut #2 option.  When Smith missed the Falcons game, Lafell was almost invisible.  That tells me that he is so far from being a #1 option, he can't possibly be a solid #2.

 

You won't see me crying if they let Lafell walk.

 

For as big as he is, he should be a much more physical receiver, but he isn't.  If anything, he's a finesse receiver.

 

I say let him go.
 



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Posted 22 January 2014 - 11:58 AM

You won't see me crying if they let Lafell walk.

 

For as big as he is, he should be a much more physical receiver, but he isn't.  If anything, he's a finesse receiver.

 

I say let him go.
 

i've already prepared myself (emotionally) to lose him and Hardy



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Posted 22 January 2014 - 12:22 PM

The fact that Jimmy Clausen's name is still associated with professional football in any shape or form is pathetic, tragic, deplorable, despicable, horrendous, and down right bullshit.

 

I haven't played since college a few decades ago, but his presence on the roster does give me hope.  I have decided to run to the end of the driveway to get the morning paper as part of my conditioning program.  You can bet Gettlemen will be getting a letter from my wife/agent.

 

What say you? 



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Posted 22 January 2014 - 12:33 PM

i've already prepared myself (emotionally) to lose him and Hardy

 

My emotions won't be all that affected by losing LaFell.

 

Hardy... :(
 



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Posted 23 January 2014 - 01:22 AM

The Panthers could find out where Dwuane Jarett is and resign him to the roster for a 4 year contract of $100 million and the roster would be set! :D



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Posted 23 January 2014 - 01:40 AM

Glad Marty Hurney is no longer the GM!



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Posted 23 January 2014 - 01:42 AM

pretty much this.

 

as i see it, it's a choice between lafell, nicks, baldwin, decker, and tate.

 

i just don't see lafell as being all that comparable with those other options. sure, he's a good blocker and he knows the offense but he's just not as good as those others. the fact that he'd probably cost just as much as those guys just doesn't help his case.

 

i think we keep ginn around as he's just too useful as a returner and does really well as a third WR option and i think he's still got a good amount of room to grow as a receiver. what we saw this year was just a little bit of what he's got to offer, imo. lafell, on the other hand....i think what you saw this year was about as good as it's going to get.

 

let lafell go and pick up one of those other 4 guys and draft another WR in the first couple rounds and i think we're set.
 

Don't sleep on Decker.  I know there aren't many ties here, and he'll probably command the most money out of those you mentioned, but he's Patrick Jeffers on steroids without the injuries.



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Posted 23 January 2014 - 02:55 AM

Stupid and silly to have LaFell that low on the list. The guy was a big time contributor to this team even if he hasn't developed like we'd want. 600 yards in 3 straight seasons and one of the better blocking WR on the roster, if not the league. What alternate dimension is LaFell not worth offering a contract?



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Posted 23 January 2014 - 03:09 AM

Stupid and silly to have LaFell that low on the list. The guy was a big time contributor to this team even if he hasn't developed like we'd want. 600 yards in 3 straight seasons and one of the better blocking WR on the roster, if not the league. What alternate dimension is LaFell not worth offering a contract?

 

I think it's more of an indication of how much the Panthers are willing to part with Lafell, and/or pick up additional WR talent that's available via free agency. 



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Posted 23 January 2014 - 04:34 AM

Stupid and silly to have LaFell that low on the list. The guy was a big time contributor to this team even if he hasn't developed like we'd want. 600 yards in 3 straight seasons and one of the better blocking WR on the roster, if not the league. What alternate dimension is LaFell not worth offering a contract?

Every single dimension that's ever existed, it's just inconceivable that Lafell gets an offer from the Panthers. He's not a #2 or #3 WR on any team in the NFL and isn't worth any sort of contract outside of the base minimum. 



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Posted 23 January 2014 - 04:35 AM

I think it's more of an indication of how much the Panthers are willing to part with Lafell, and/or pick up additional WR talent that's available via free agency. 

 

I mean, that's just the thing though. A guy that we thought would be a better fit in Domenik HIxon, and caught for 567 yards in only 3 starts for the Giants, was supposed to come in last season and supplant a lot of our guys. Another team's 600 yard guy couldn't come in and take the job from LaFell.

 

Look at the guys who were signed as free agents after changing teams last season in the mid-range value that we'd be shopping in:

 

Heyward Bey: $2.5 million - 29 catches for 307 yards and 1 TD

Manningham: $1.8 million - 9 catches for 89 yards and 0 TD

Hixon - $1.2 million - 7 catches for 55 yards and 1 TD

Ginn - $1.1 million - Success for Carolina

Burress - $1.05 million - 3 catches for 42 yards and 1 TD

 

 

I mean, it's not like we're promised a slam dunk player with the money we're going to have to be offering up to WR. These names are nice to float around until the actual money goes down on the table and then it gets real. If we let an in-house option leave that knows the offense, has worked with the QB, and isn't asking for way too much we'd be insane not to take it instead of chasing some absurd low-buy-in free agent that's going to give us a legit second option, or even first option at the rate that Smith is slowing down. It's just not going to happen that way. In a league that is going pass heavy, WR are in more demand now than ever and if a team is letting a guy go it's because he's not a good fit or he's too expensive.

 

Would it be nice if Hakeem Nicks took peanuts to come play here? Yeah. But it's not going to happen. We need to evaluate our position realistically.



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Posted 23 January 2014 - 04:37 AM

Every single dimension that's ever existed, it's just inconceivable that Lafell gets an offer from the Panthers. He's not a #2 or #3 WR on any team in the NFL and isn't worth any sort of contract outside of the base minimum. 

 

Right. You might want to review the post I just made regarding guys in the $2.5 to $1 million range last season, which is about where LaFell should be asking. You can't find 600 yard guys in that group with frequency. League minimum for a guy who has three 600 yard seasons and is still young and can block his face off? Please.

 

I doubt there is a team in football where Brandon LaFell couldn't compete strong for the 3rd option. Throwing him away for nothing would be stupid.
 



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Posted 23 January 2014 - 04:49 AM

Right. You might want to review the post I just made regarding guys in the $2.5 to $1 million range last season, which is about where LaFell should be asking. You can't find 600 yard guys in that group with frequency. League minimum for a guy who has three 600 yard seasons and is still young and can block his face off? Please.

 

I doubt there is a team in football where Brandon LaFell couldn't compete strong for the 3rd option. Throwing him away for nothing would be stupid.
 

 

 

I still wouldn't resign him, he had his chance when Smitty went down and he didn't perform. So no he goes, after seeing him in the last three games plus the playoff game. I'd rather have a rookie WR then Lafell and that's what I mean by him not coming back. This team needs to draft youth at WR instead of playing the middle tier FA market or signing guys that have no business being a #2 WR. So my post still stands as stated, there is no dimension now nor one that's ever existed in which I would resign LaFell. 



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Posted 23 January 2014 - 05:59 AM

I still wouldn't resign him, he had his chance when Smitty went down and he didn't perform. So no he goes, after seeing him in the last three games plus the playoff game. I'd rather have a rookie WR then Lafell and that's what I mean by him not coming back. This team needs to draft youth at WR instead of playing the middle tier FA market or signing guys that have no business being a #2 WR. So my post still stands as stated, there is no dimension now nor one that's ever existed in which I would resign LaFell. 

 

If every guy that would fail as a number one WR wasn't worth keeping, it would be a small league. LaFell isn't a number one by any stretch of the definition but that does not render him useless. Captain Munnerlyn isn't a starting caliber CB on most teams in the league either, but he's important in OUR defense.... which is why he's probably going to get paid more than he should to stay and why he's probably super high on this schlub's list. LaFell is a strong 3rd option who can fill in as a 2nd option in a pinch, but doesn't belong there full time. I don't know if you're familiar with the type of talent that is traditionally available at the end of the first round, if we even use our first round pick on a WR, but finding a guy there that would catch for 600 yards his first year in the league would be damn near miraculous. Only 4 WR drafted last year had more than 600 yards. Tavon Austin, Cordarrelle Patterson, and DeAndre Hopkins were the three taken in the first round and of those only Hopkins exceeded 600 yards. Patterson and Austin were both below 500 yards.

 

I'm not saying that we need to hold onto LaFell forever. He'd be ideal for a 3rd option, but the "grass is greener" folks need to get their head around his value to this team instead of holding out hope that somebody is going to swoop in and save us. It's unrealistic. This board seems notoriously bad at evaluating WR talent. How many people here have had a hard on for the Louis Murphy, Armanti Edwards, David Gettis, Joe Adams, Keloah Pillares, etc. type guys that have done literally nothing over LaFell? We finally get a dude that can at least produce at a modest pace and since he's not a number one people lose their minds saying we should discard him like a piece of trash. Makes no sense.





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