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#31 KillaCamNewton

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 02:31 PM

Has anyone here considered maybe hardy likes living in charlotte and playing for rivera? We might not have a huge pocket book this offseason but we still offer tons of other incentives to stay

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 02:51 PM

A tag and trade deal here is unlikely for a variety of reason IMHO.  First, why would the Raiders give up a draft pick when, if they don't make this trade, it is likely that Hardy hits the free agency market.  Second, the Raiders would only be guaranteed a contract with Hardy for 1 year at a rather hefty price, when they could use that draft pick and get a player cheap for multiple years.  3rd, due to the above indicators, the Raiders wouldn't offer more than a 3rd.  The Panthers would likely receive a 3rd round compensation pick just for letting him walk.

 

 



#33 Delhommey

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 02:53 PM

Sign Hardy for a song cause he likes Charlotte? Franchise and trade him for the 5th or 37th pick in the draft?

Y'all are probably legitimately depressed, confused, and disappointed when you don't win the Lotto.

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 03:09 PM

I thought we discussed this ad nauseum.  If we tag him with the exclusive franchise tag my understanding is that we can match any offer and if we don't, the automatic compensation is 2 first rounders.  This compensation is not negotiable and can't be reduced.

 

Is that the case?  And if so then the tag and trade him for a third or a fifth is not possible.  Who knows the answer to this for sure???

 

 



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Posted 24 January 2014 - 03:26 PM

I thought we discussed this ad nauseum. If we tag him with the exclusive franchise tag my understanding is that we can match any offer and if we don't, the automatic compensation is 2 first rounders. This compensation is not negotiable and can't be reduced.

Is that the case? And if so then the tag and trade him for a third or a fifth is not possible. Who knows the answer to this for sure???

You can tag and trade for a Payday bar and two tickets to the Blue Man Group if you want to.

The player cannot negotiate with another team if it is an exclusive tag, or the player can negotiate if given a non-exclusive; however, if the other team signs the player with the non-exclusive tag, that team must give up 2 first rounders as compensation.

#36 Camsfanclub

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 03:34 PM

doesnt matter if we tag him



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Posted 24 January 2014 - 03:36 PM

Types of franchise tag

 

There are two types of franchise tag designations: the exclusive rights franchise tag, and non-exclusive rights franchise tag:

  • An "exclusive" franchise player must be offered a one-year contract for an amount no less than the average of the top five salaries at the player's position as of a date in April of the current year in which the tag will apply, or 120 percent of the player's previous year's salary, whichever is greater. Exclusive franchise players cannot negotiate with other teams. The player's team has all the negotiating rights to the exclusive player.
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  • A "non-exclusive" franchise player must be offered a one-year contract for an amount no less than the average of the top five salaries at the player's position for the previous year, or 120 percent of the player's previous year's salary, whichever is greater. A non-exclusive franchise player may negotiate with other NFL teams, but if he signs an offer sheet from another team, the original team has a right to match the terms of that offer, or if it does not match the offer and thus loses the player, is entitled to receive two first-round draft picks as compensation.
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  • Under the Capped years a team can designate one additional player only as a transitional tag. A transition player must be offered a minimum of the average of the top 10 salaries of the prior season at the player's position or 120 percent of the player's prior year's salary, whichever is greater. A transition player designation gives the club a first-refusal right to match within seven days an offer sheet given to the player by another club after his contract expires. If the club matches, it retains the player. If it does not match, it receives no compensation.


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Posted 24 January 2014 - 03:46 PM

Has anyone here considered maybe hardy likes living in charlotte and playing for rivera? We might not have a huge pocket book this offseason but we still offer tons of other incentives to stay

 

Greg Hardy has already said he wants paid the MONEY that he's worth. Please give examples and explain the tons of other incentive offers to stay that would take the place of the money he desires? 

           
 



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Posted 24 January 2014 - 03:48 PM

I'll take "Something I've been saying since August" Alex 



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Posted 24 January 2014 - 03:49 PM

A tag and trade deal here is unlikely for a variety of reason IMHO.  First, why would the Raiders give up a draft pick when, if they don't make this trade, it is likely that Hardy hits the free agency market.  Second, the Raiders would only be guaranteed a contract with Hardy for 1 year at a rather hefty price, when they could use that draft pick and get a player cheap for multiple years.  3rd, due to the above indicators, the Raiders wouldn't offer more than a 3rd.  The Panthers would likely receive a 3rd round compensation pick just for letting him walk.

 

 

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#41 panthers55

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Posted 24 January 2014 - 03:50 PM

You can tag and trade for a Payday bar and two tickets to the Blue Man Group if you want to.

The player cannot negotiate with another team if it is an exclusive tag, or the player can negotiate if given a non-exclusive; however, if the other team signs the player with the non-exclusive tag, that team must give up 2 first rounders as compensation.

So you are saying give him an exclusive tag?  Why would another team pay more than they would have to pay under a non-exclusive tag which is what happens if they inherit the exclusive tag under a trade?  Unless the other team was able to work out a long term deal no team would take it and we would be on the hook for a ton of money if no one bites.  I could see Hardy saying that he won't agree to terms with the other team since the exclusive tags pays him over 14 million for 1 year and is guaranteed. Particularly if it is a bottom feeder. He then just waits for next year to get close to 18 million, or goes through the process next year.

 

The other part is that a player can do just what Pepper's did which is not sign the franchise tag offer and request a trade to the team they want.  If we don't do what they want they can hold out for half the season and sign it for the last 6 weeks and still get the year service and  3/8th of his 14 million.

 

One reason the exclusive tag hardly ever gets used.



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Posted 24 January 2014 - 03:55 PM

Yeah, I could see that.



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Posted 24 January 2014 - 03:57 PM

Greg Hardy has already said he wants paid the MONEY that he's worth. Please give examples and explain the tons of other incentive offers to stay that would take the place of the money he desires? 

           
 

He also said if you pay him just tell him what to do and he will do it.  

 

That is what incentives are about.  What if he got 2 million extra for 20 sacks?  Or if we reach the Superbowl and he is healthy, he gets 1 million more?  If he plays all 16 games he gets 1 million extra per year??

 

Those are all incentives which he could reach and they could pay him up to 4 million more a year which on a 6 year contract could add 24 million to the contract for example.  So you pay him an average of 7 million  or 42 million with 20 guaranteed and offer 24 more in incentives.  If he earns them all he is very highly compensated and if he doesn't he gets a very good salary.



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Posted 24 January 2014 - 03:59 PM

Has anyone here considered maybe hardy likes living in charlotte and playing for rivera? We might not have a huge pocket book this offseason but we still offer tons of other incentives to stay

 

No, because he said numerous times that he'll chase the money, and I can't blame him. During the season, he talked about a discount, but the last weeks it's all about the highest amount. He should choose the highest contract, because you're a player for a few years to set up the rest of your life. Teams will cut players without remorse. Players shouldn't do a discount if they don't have to.



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Posted 24 January 2014 - 03:59 PM

Wouldn't surprise me to see the Raiders throw a shitload of cash at Hardy AND Hakeem Nicks. 




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