Archived

This topic is now archived and is closed to further replies.

Q & A with G-man, courtesy of Observer's Jones (edited with more commentary re: draft strategy)


94 posts in this topic

Posted · Report post

McNutt and King definitely must have a shot at a future here.  As someone said earlier you don't free up two roster spots for players that won't be here next year.   

 

Of all the positions on a team.  WR is our worst one when it comes to top picks.  Jarrett and Colbert to name a few.  We have struck out badly on WRs in the draft.  Add Gettis, AE and Adams and there are 5 whiffs for the Panthers. over the past 7 or 8 seasons.  Really the only decent WR we have drafted is LaFell and I am not certain he will be back. 

 

Drafting 28 doesn't help.  The Julio Jones's and the Megatron's will be long gone by 28.   Our front office has to get Cam help but we cannot reach on a 2nd round player in the first round because he is the next best WR.  

 

Don't be surprised if we end up with a CB or OT instead of a WR.  IMO we will take the BPA at one of these three positions (WR, OT or CB)   I also see us trading down to grab and extra pick or two.       

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted · Report post

What Gman said nothing that will tip his hand other than the obvious. 

1 person likes this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted · Report post

If DG refuse to address the WR spot with in the first 2 rounds of this year draft. Then Cam may say screw this team and refuse to a long term and go to a team that has a good oline and WR core to help him out. DG better figure it out. There is no time for trying to do projects on this team. We have had enough projects on this team. I want him to address the WR position with a WR that start from the get go. Plain and simple.

 

I can't help but wonder if the problem with this team is more the culture within the team or the need for better pieces. Is there a need to replace the WRs that this team has or are those players allowed to feel secure in their positions and in turn, the team getting the best out of them?

 

I hate to say this but many of the Panthers' fans seem very superficial in their observation of this team. A player isn't doing what he's suppose to do...get rid of him. Then they see that player going to another team and have way better success at the same position on another team, and either scorn the player and say he didn't want to be on the Panthers team anyway or, hate him and pray for his failure. 

 

I think Gentleman, knows exactly what is ailing this team and it might not be what the Panthers fans believe based on shallow observation.

1 person likes this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted · Report post

many of the Panthers' fans seem very superficial in their observation of this team.


Trueeeeeee

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted · Report post

It is a big issue.  FA's don't want to go to a team with a lame duck coach because they don't know who will be in charge the next year, or what system they will run.  Also, players on the team see it as the front office not having enough confidence in the coach to give him a long-term deal, so don't always buy in to what the coach is selling.  At the first sign of trouble, teams with lame duck coached may throw in the towel on the season.

 

These are just a few reasons I have heard players and executives give for why it is a huge problem to go into the season with your coach being on the last year of his contract.  And I imagine it would be especially hard for this team, coming of a division winning, playoff season.

 

 

I doubt w'ed be a huge player in FA anyway given our cap situation.

From mediocrity to one good year in 3 with Rivera.

I say keep the options open in case it falls apart.

If the Panthers are a juggernaut next year, lock Rivera up mid season.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted · Report post

U can't help but wonder if the problem with this team is more a the culture within the team or the need for better pieces. Is there a need to replace the WRs that this team has or are those players allowed to feel secure in their positions and in turn, the team getting the best out of them?

I hate to say this but many of the Panthers' fans seem very superficial in their observation of this team. A player isn't doing what he's suppose to do...get rid of him. Then they see that player going to another team and have way better success at the same position on another team, and either scorn the player and say he didn't want to be on the Panthers team anyway or, hate him and pray for his failure.

I think Gentleman, knows exactly what is ailing this team and it might not be what the Panthers fans believe based on shallow observation.


Very few panthers have left, then gone on to have stellar careers elsewhere. Sure peppers was ok for a bit but has quickly fallen off. Schwartz and bernadeau were good this year but you can't say they have found real success yet. A couple of corners have been mediocre elsewhere. I can't think of much else recently. The only really good example would be Mathis and he was extremely average here for some reason and that was a long time ago. Jovan Hoye?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted · Report post

I'm glad he said it. Cam doesn't get the credit he deserves.

"And I’m going to tell you this, he works his fanny off. He is in the facility more than you can imagine. He’s in there Monday nights, Tuesday mornings, Tuesday afternoons, Tuesday evenings. It’s important to him."

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted · Report post

Yep.  For the team to give them two very valuable roster spots when they could have just stashed them on the PS tells me they really like both players and see a future here for both of them.  Of course, that doesn't mean they expect either to be Smitty's replacement, but I think they do have plans for them.

 

Gettlemen is a straight shooter.  He doesn't say too much, but when you look back at his comments, he is true to his word. When we signed King, there was a bit of a disturbance in the force around Denver.  They saw something in him.  McNutt was a good college WR, I wanted us to draft him late, so I think they have what they want.

 

Everyone seems to be thinking that we are looking for a #2--I don't.  I think we are looking for a #1.  Smitty has not been up to a #1 WR standard lately, and probably never should have made that move.

 

If we were looking for a #1, we would find the role players who are cheap (rookie contracts--none cheaper than King and McNutt), keep Smitty for a slot WR, situational guy (from 2012 to 2013 he went from over 90% of the offensive plays to 75%, so he is transitioning to a situational player right now---as he should).   I am not sure that we offer Ginn a ton of cash, but he probably gets an offer for his special teams prowess and the deep threat on offense he creates.  There is one missing piece--a true #1.

 

Ginn, Smitty, McNutt, King,  rookie/free agent  --I can get excited about that, depending on the rookie/free agent.

 

I also think Proehl likes Bernsin.

 

McNutt is 24, almost 6'3" 215 lbs, and he ran a 4.48 at the combine.  It takes WRs a few years to develop, and he needs playing time.  More importantly, he is a tall WR with a wide wingspan.  Cam is not the most accurate passer, and when he misses, he misses high. He took Armanti Edwards' spot on the roster.  I think he was on Philly's PS.  He will earn about $500k in 2014 and be a RFA in 2015.

 

King is 23, 6'0" tall, 191 lbs. and ran a 4.47 at the combine. He has 33" arms, rather long for his size. He is a rookie. 

 

Brandon Lafell is 6'2" tall and wieghs about 215.  He ran a 4.54 at the combine.  They said that he is not a great route runner and has trouble with separation.  He also has small hands and lapses in concentration that lead to drops. He is a good blocker.  On a second contract, he would make more in 2014 that both McNutt and King combined.  I have not heard Gettlemen say one thing that leads me to believe Lafell will return.
 

3 people like this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted · Report post

What Gettleman said: Life after Steve Smith may include some of the guys already on the sidelines if they show they can perform well in games.

What The Huddle read: No new receivers. Ever. Eat poo and die.


If they were good, they should have been on the field last year. We are tired of this wait and see shit. We were told to believe in Adams, Gettis, Pilares, Edwards, Lafell, and now King and McNutt. You can't coach talent, no matter how good you think you can coach a guy up, if he doesn't have the skills it doesn't matter.

We need young early round difference makers at the skill positions. There isn't a single WR on our roster that consistently beat coverage and take over a game. Steve Smith can do it here and there but not for an entire game.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted · Report post

If they were good, they should have been on the field last year. We are tired of this wait and see poo. We were told to believe in Adams, Gettis, Pilares, Edwards, Lafell, and now King and McNutt. You can't coach talent, no matter how good you think you can coach a guy up, if he doesn't have the skills it doesn't matter.

We need young early round difference makers at the skill positions. There isn't a single WR on our roster that consistently beat coverage and take over a game. Steve Smith can do it here and there but not for an entire game.

 

I hear ya, Ace, but please take a few things into consideration.  It takes WRs about 2 years to come of age.  There are examples of rookie WRs like Allen this year, but it takes time.  We have a new guy evaluating talent this year.  The guys you mentioned are a legit point, but I think Marty kept his draft picks on the roster too long because he was afraid to look bad by cutting them.  However, the Huddle is bad about discussing the draft and saying, "he is a developmental prospect" and then wanting him gone if he didn't produce as a rookie.  Expect a WR in this draft.  Only a fool with question marks at the position would not grab one in the 2014 draft--it is loaded at WR.

 

I still think they bring in people to compete at every position.  He is grading film right now.  I think McNutt and King are going to be looked at as #3 and #4 WRs, but no guarantees.  This offseason is critical for both.  I get that it takes a while to develop a WR. I am not worried about it if we go after a #1 WR instead of, as in the past, a bunch of #2 or 3 WRs.  We do not have a true #1 on the roster.

1 person likes this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted · Report post

 

G-man believes that life after Smitty may include some young players that are already on the sidelines

 

 

GTFO

1 person likes this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Posted · Report post

I hear ya, Ace, but please take a few things into consideration. It takes WRs about 2 years to come of age. There are examples of rookie WRs like Allen this year, but it takes time. We have a new guy evaluating talent this year. The guys you mentioned are a legit point, but I think Marty kept his draft picks on the roster too long because he was afraid to look bad by cutting them. However, the Huddle is bad about discussing the draft and saying, "he is a developmental prospect" and then wanting him gone if he didn't produce as a rookie. Expect a WR in this draft. Only a fool with question marks at the position would not grab one in the 2014 draft--it is loaded at WR.

I still think they bring in people to compete at every position. He is grading film right now. I think McNutt and King are going to be looked at as #3 and #4 WRs, but no guarantees. This offseason is critical for both. I get that it takes a while to develop a WR. I am not worried about it if we go after a #1 WR instead of, as in the past, a bunch of #2 or 3 WRs. We do not have a true #1 on the roster.


I'll believe we draft a WR when I see it. Seems like he's already explaining himself for not taking one.
1 person likes this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites