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Knox Bardeen of BR says we HAVE to re-sign Hardy


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In order to sign Hardy is going to want a big signing bonus. If we trade him the bonus is accelerated to and kills our cap. If the signing bonus is not high enough for him to accept he can just refuse to sign and become a FA. 

 

You sign him to the Franchise Tag and then trade him.

 

The new long term contract is with the new team....not us.

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Stil not sure why you can't backload his deal, sign him to a five year deal with a lower upfront figure this and next year until as gettleman said were out of the mess, Aslong as hardy knows he has huge paydays ahead and bonus money guaranteed what's the issue? Yes he deserves rewarding due to his performances but football isn't a five minute career he can make that money back on the contract once we get passed these two years, if he really loves playing here then he will do it if not then he's a money hungry douchebag! Sorry but the guys 25 he's not even in his prime he has years to make money it should be about being on a competitive team (not some crappy team like the raiders) and playing with people you love and respect like his panther team mates! Taking a slight hit on upfront money the first two years of your contract which you can make up further down the line is hardly going to bankrupt or make life harder for Greg is it. For me it comes down to greed and selfishness or heart and respect, we made hardy he hasn't made the panthers.

Because then you are in cap hell in the future.

 

Back end loading huge contracts eventually catch up with you.

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Signing bonus is the guaranteed money. Hardy holds the cards.

 

Yeah, he holds the cards, but if another team is willing to sign him to a favorable contract (probably including a long extension), then he might think twice.  There is some type of scenario where all parties involved could come up with something that works for all if they are determined to make a deal happen.

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Do not let emotions, failure to consider the future of the cap, and a lack of understanding of the cap cloud your judgement.  These are all factors.  Many Huddlers have this "I want to re-sign Hardy, extend Cam, give Luke a good deal in 2015, bring in a top free agent WR, Re-sign Gross, Mitchell, Munnerlyn, Wharton, Gano, Hartsock, Ginn,---and anything short of that is selling out.

 

If you say you want to re-sign Hardy, then you might want to explain what you are willing to sacrifice to do so. 

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Unfortunately, it doesn't seem like we have leverage in the Hardy situation and by retaining him we restrict ourselves from doing a lot with the rest of the team.  It's a balancing act and SCP is right earlier in the thread.  If the $$ we need to give Hardy puts a speed bump for building this team longterm, we've gotta do what we've gotta do.

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You sign him to the Franchise Tag and then trade him.

 

The new long term contract is with the new team....not us.

When he signs that tag money becomes guaranteed...by us. And nobody is going to give up picks and pay him that much. That would be stupid.

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When he signs that tag money becomes guaranteed...by us. And nobody is going to give up picks and pay him that much. That would be stupid.

 

Yep.  With the tag, we're taking the risk and assuming a team is going to bite....and with that gamble could come 60+% of our available cap space.        

 

At the same time though, I think he's worth a 1st.  Being a 25 yo DE coming off a 16 sack season warrants a 1st round pick in my book.  If he doesn't, I don't know what does.     

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Because then you are in cap hell in the future.

Back end loading huge contracts eventually catch up with you.

I agree totally. But I'm taking about fair backloaded money, say hardy wants $10-12 mill as has been reported, why not offer him $6-8 guaranteed plus bonus money for first two years until we are clear of cap hell we are in? Then year three, four and five he can get his money back by his contract rising significantly?, people forget but Williams and Stewart will be off he roster by then so we will have a much much new manageable cap space situation, difference with gurneys deals he backloaded contracts with no real brain rewarding on passed performance not anticipating future production, gettleman won't make the same mistake, my opinion says gettleman is just a better man to man evaluater of players

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To me, it seems that Bardeen is looking from the perspective of an overly emotional fan, as opposed to seeing the bigger picture.

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I understand the economics but make no mistake our defense will not be as good without Hardy. 

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Well if Know Bardeen said it

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i'm already over it and i've kind of accepted that hardy will be gone.  there will be a vacuum at his spot because we obviously don't have a DE of his caliber on the roster but a more experienced star/kk duo should help by getting some push up the middle.

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