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#121 thatlookseasy

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Posted 01 February 2014 - 07:16 PM

There's a decent chance we get that Detroit pick at number nine unless they start tanking hard,

 

I mean they are shopping Monroe, I have to think they're looking to tank.  And with Cleveland right behind them actually trying to win games, they're in that 8-9 range now.

 

Looking at their roster though, you may be right.  Moving Monroe will give Josh Smith more minutes at the 4, which opens up minutes for a shooter like Singler or Caldwell-Pope at the 3.  I could see their front office trying to tank and accidentally improving the team (like what Toronto did when they traded Rudy Gay)



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Posted 01 February 2014 - 07:43 PM

As to the playing time Roy gives freshman- he definitely plays them, but it is a lot tougher to earn playing time when you have to unseat a upperclassmen who started the year before.

 

I remember it took Roy several games to start a freshman Ty Lawson over the sophomore Bobby Frasor even though it was painfully obvious to everyone who the better player was.  Same thing happened with Kendall Marshall, he didnt start over Larry Drew until halfway through ACC play



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Posted 01 February 2014 - 07:48 PM

Dude you're full of it. But let's go down the list again.

 

1. Hansbro = Not even a question

 

2. Marvin Williams = not even a question

 

3. JMM = scored more points and was more of a contributor 

 

4. Harris Barnes = started as a freshman

 

5. John Henson = started as a freshman.

 

6. Brandon Wright = started as a freshmen

 

7. Wayne Ellington = started as a freshman 

 

8. Ty Lawson = started as a Freshman

 

9. Kendall Marshall = was a contributor and became a starter his freshman year

 

10. Marcus Paige = Had to come in and be a starter his freshman year.

 

 

10 players making this statement wrong

 

Not too many freshmen go to Chapel Hill and are expected to be key contributors.

 

Mcadoo didnt do poo his freshman year outside of 2 or 3 good games filling in for an injured John Henson. I mean come on he averaged 6 points.

 

Also, John Henson did not start as a freshman.  He may have gotten a couple starts late in the year but he played behind Deon Thompson and Ed Davis



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Posted 01 February 2014 - 09:49 PM

Dude you're full of it. But let's go down the list again.

 

1. Hansbro = Not even a question

 

2. Marvin Williams = not even a question

 

3. JMM = scored more points and was more of a contributor 

 

4. Harris Barnes = started as a freshman

 

5. John Henson = started as a freshman.

 

6. Brandon Wright = started as a freshmen

 

7. Wayne Ellington = started as a freshman 

 

8. Ty Lawson = started as a Freshman

 

9. Kendall Marshall = was a contributor and became a starter his freshman year

 

10. Marcus Paige = Had to come in and be a starter his freshman year.

 

 

10 players making this statement wrong

 

Not too many freshmen go to Chapel Hill and are expected to be key contributors.

 

 

Man...you just really aren't that smart are you? 

 

1) Hansbrough - had to start as a freshman because the players on the 2005 team either went to the NBA or graduated.  If they had remained in school he would have had a similar expected role as PJ.  BAD EXAMPLE.  

 

2)  Marvin Williams - came off the bench and was a complete stud who ended up getting drafted #2 overall.  When you're a complete stud you get to play, it doesn't matter what year you are.

 

3) JMM - his role was the same as PJ's as freshmen.  BAD EXAMPLE

 

4) Harrison Barnes - was the #1 recruit in the country.  Of course he's going to play.  BAD EXAMPLE

 

5) Henson - did NOT start as a freshman until Ed Davis went down.  His expected role was the same as PJ's.  BAD EXAMPLE

 

6) Wright - here's the second one you've gotten right so far

 

7) Ellington - did NOT start as a freshman.  His role was the same as PJ's.  BAD EXAMPLE

 

8) Lawson - had to start because the only other PGs on the team were terrible.  I'll give you that one. 

 

9) Marshall - wasn't expected to be the starter and only became the starter because Drew 2 was terrible.  BAD EXAMPLE

 

10) Paige - wasn't supposed to be the starter but had to once Marshall left.  BAD EXAMPLE. 

 

I don't know why this is so difficult for you.  The way UNC recruits, freshmen are not EXPECTED to be key contributors.  That doesn't mean they don't get to play.  PJ got to play.  But his minutes were reduced because of the upper classmen on the team.  Not because Roy didn't trust him like you're claiming.  

 

Seriously.....you're trying as hard as you can to make a point about PJ and you're so wrong it's comical.  AND you can't even answer the one question that I've asked you 7 times now....what does any of this have to do with the OP?  It's all about your agenda against PJ and UNC and it makes you look really, really dumb.  



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Posted 01 February 2014 - 10:28 PM

"Not to many Freshman go to Chapel Hill and are expected to Contribute"

 

 

 

 

 

 

I name 10 players that did contribute as freshman and at

least 6 were expected to.

 

JMM was the 6th man his freshman year.

 

Henson was getting 16.0 min. before Davis went down.

 

I can keep going but in the end You said this

 

 

"Not to many Freshman go to Chapel Hill and are expected to contribute "

 

Which again is wrong because some are asked to start or at least be the 1st man off the bench.

 

 

 



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Posted 01 February 2014 - 10:40 PM

Dude you're full of it. But let's go down the list again.

1. Hansbro = Not even a question

2. Marvin Williams = not even a question

3. JMM = scored more points and was more of a contributor

4. Harris Barnes = started as a freshman

5. John Henson = started as a freshman.

6. Brandon Wright = started as a freshmen

7. Wayne Ellington = started as a freshman

8. Ty Lawson = started as a Freshman

9. Kendall Marshall = was a contributor and became a starter his freshman year

10. Marcus Paige = Had to come in and be a starter his freshman year.


10 players making this statement wrong

Not too many freshmen go to Chapel Hill and are expected to be key contributors.

Marvin Williams came off the bench I thought.

And a lot of those guys were forced into starting roles because of mass defections to the NBA or injury.

It is no secret that Roy likes to start guys with more experience and force freshmen to earn their way into the rotation

But I also think it is an overstatement to say they aren't expected to be key contributors. I guess that comes down to how you define a "key contributor"

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Posted 01 February 2014 - 10:41 PM

 

 

 

 

 

Seriously.....you're trying as hard as you can to make a point about PJ and you're so wrong it's comical.  AND you can't even answer the one question that I've asked you 7 times now....what does any of this have to do with the OP?  It's all about your agenda against PJ and UNC and it makes you look really, really dumb.  

 

 

Plain and simple their was a reason PJ didn't start until half way thru his 2nd season at UNC. And it had nothing to do with talent or some Freshman not expected to play BS that you made up.

 

How many times did we hear the question "why isn't PJ starting" his 2nd year.



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Posted 01 February 2014 - 10:46 PM

Marvin Williams came off the bench I thought.

And a lot of those guys were forced into starting roles because of mass defections to the NBA.

It is no secret that Roy likes to start guys with more experience and force freshmen to earn their way into the rotation

But I also think it is an overstatement to say they aren't expected to be key contributors. I guess that comes down to how you define a "key contributor"

 

 

Thank You!!!

 

You can't blame PJ's lack of contribution (his Freshman year) and him having a hard time to crack the starting line up (his 2nd year) on some outdated UNC belief.

 

Either it took time for PJ to earn Roy's trust or Roy doesn't know how to use his talent??

 

Since the 1 and done rule. No program can have constant success  without getting contribution from your Freshman class.



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Posted 01 February 2014 - 10:46 PM

Not saying Hood cost Duke the game tonight but if he doesn't try to yam that ball hard (allowing Christmas to slide over and get a hand on the ball) and instead just scoop it up real quick into the basket, Duke goes up one with 12 seconds left and hold on if they are able to stop Syracuse from scoring.

 

As for Hood's defense, he got destroyed by C.J. Fair when Parker had to go out because of foul trouble and the man he was playing for most of the game (Trevor Cooney) actually had as many points as Hood.



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Posted 02 February 2014 - 06:58 AM

Plain and simple their was a reason PJ didn't start until half way thru his 2nd season at UNC.


It is very simple and plain....there were upperclassmen in front of him. That's it.

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Posted 02 February 2014 - 07:08 AM



But I also think it is an overstatement to say they aren't expected to be key contributors. I guess that comes down to how you define a "key contributor"


My point is that PJ wasn't expected to come in and be a starter as a freshman. He got the minutes he got, which were comparable to JMM's minutes who was also a freshman, because there were upperclassmen in front of him. Therefore, he wasn't expected to come in and be a key contributor.

This WOW guy is trying to make it out like Roy didn't trust PJ and that's the reason why he got the minutes he did his freshman year and then use that thought to justify why Hood played more minutes as a freshman than PJ and somehow make that into the reason why Hood is the better player. He's completely ignoring the fact that UNC had upperclassmen in front of PJ AND the fact that Hood went to freaking Mississippi State.

Not to mention he is completely incapable of telling us how this has any relevance in determining which player is better for the Hornets

I'm not sure who's the bigger idiot....him for his making such a ridiculous claim that's obviously aimed at trolling on UNC, or me for replying to his poo 15 times. It's got to at least be a tie.

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Posted 02 February 2014 - 07:13 AM

"Not to many Freshman go to Chapel Hill and are expected to Contribute"






I name 10 players that did contribute as freshman and at
least 6 were expected to.

JMM was the 6th man his freshman year.

Henson was getting 16.0 min. before Davis went down.

I can keep going but in the end You said this


"Not to many Freshman go to Chapel Hill and are expected to contribute "

Which again is wrong because some are asked to start or at least be the 1st man off the bench.


You named 10 and only 3 had any merit. The others were forced to start because players left and the others were in the same role as PJ. Congrats on actually making my point stronger.

There was no "6th man". PJ and JMM both filled that role. You're wrong again.

And if you're going to quote me do it correctly. Just another one of the many ways you're wrong

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Posted 02 February 2014 - 01:38 PM


 

I name 10 players that did contribute as freshman and at

least 6 were expected to.

 

JMM was the 6th man his freshman year.

 

Henson was getting 16.0 min. before Davis went down.

 

I can keep going but in the end You said this

 

 

"Not to many Freshman go to Chapel Hill and are expected to contribute "

 

Which again is wrong because some are asked to start or at least be the 1st man off the bench.

 

 

So your point is that PJ didnt get much playing time his freshman year (when he played 13 min/ game)

 

And then you use Henson (16 min) and JMM (15 min) as examples of freshman who played a lot?  They were used in almost the exact same way. 



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Posted 02 February 2014 - 03:32 PM

Surprised to see this thread still going. Hood is the better player and comes with less baggage, which is why this debate makes no sense anyway. Hood will probably be picked in the 8-14 range while PJ will go late first round or early second round. It will never be a choice between these two.

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Posted 02 February 2014 - 07:00 PM

Surprised to see this thread still going. Hood is the better player and comes with less baggage, which is why this debate makes no sense anyway. Hood will probably be picked in the 8-14 range while PJ will go late first round or early second round. It will never be a choice between these two.

Well thanks for settling that.....

But....

The debate isn't who is the better player, it's (supposed to be) about which player is better for the Hornets. Which means you have to take into consideration where the Hornets will be drafting and which other players will be available when they're drafting in that position.


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