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#31 SnowPanther

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Posted 05 February 2014 - 06:26 PM

You're going to win more than you lose with Foxy, problem is that you're never going to win it all.



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Posted 06 February 2014 - 08:42 PM

I guess that's one way to look at it, but you're not going to make up for a 29-0 deficit against the # 1 defense in the league by punting and running draw plays. 

 

Fox coaches like he has a lead, even when he doesn't. 

well it didn't look like they were going to do it with manning throwing the ball. The point is Peyton was not effective.  The punting was a result of ineffectiveness not an inherent desire by fox.i don't see that as Fox's fault except that he is HC .i would think the pieces were in place but couldn't come through. I don't see that as a failure by Fox. now the reality is it is highly doubtfull Fox called the plays at all.



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Posted 06 February 2014 - 08:46 PM

You're going to win more than you lose with Foxy, problem is that you're never going to win it all.

on 2 super bowls two guys you never thought would make bad plays did. I don't see any evidence that the losses were Fox's fault unless he told kasay to kick the ball out of bounds or told Peyton to wait to throw when the pass rush is in his face.



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Posted 06 February 2014 - 10:14 PM

At least in our Super Bowl, we fought to the end. Getting blown out has to be the worst feeling ever.

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Posted 06 February 2014 - 11:47 PM

well it didn't look like they were going to do it with manning throwing the ball. The point is Peyton was not effective.  The punting was a result of ineffectiveness not an inherent desire by fox.i don't see that as Fox's fault except that he is HC .i would think the pieces were in place but couldn't come through. I don't see that as a failure by Fox. now the reality is it is highly doubtfull Fox called the plays at all.

 

All year long Manning and that offense were the strength of that team, so you don't abandon that when the going gets tough and you especially don't abandon that when your down 29-0 in the championship game. At that point they were probably going to lose anyways, so why not go down swinging instead of curling up in a ball and punting/running draws in an attempt to save yourself from being even more embarrassed than you already have been. It is ultimately Fox's fault because he is the HC, so he's the ultimate authority during the game. The HC always reserves the right to jump on his headset and tell his employees that he doesn't like the plays being called, he's the boss. 

 

You can defend coach Fox all you like, but we all saw this same sad story play out here in Carolina for many years and Sunday night made me glad that nightmare is over for us. 



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Posted 07 February 2014 - 12:28 AM

"A punt is a good play."



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Posted 07 February 2014 - 12:34 AM

All year long Manning and that offense were the strength of that team, so you don't abandon that when the going gets tough and you especially don't abandon that when your down 29-0 in the championship game. At that point they were probably going to lose anyways, so why not go down swinging instead of curling up in a ball and punting/running draws in an attempt to save yourself from being even more embarrassed than you already have been. It is ultimately Fox's fault because he is the HC, so he's the ultimate authority during the game. The HC always reserves the right to jump on his headset and tell his employees that he doesn't like the plays being called, he's the boss. 

 

You can defend coach Fox all you like, but we all saw this same sad story play out here in Carolina for many years and Sunday night made me glad that nightmare is over for us. 

fox didn't abandon it. It abandoned Fox. You must not have watched the game. they were totally shutdown.

Bottom line is the comments about Fox were not based on reality but based on dislike for fox and the mob mentality to try to pile on.the whole "head coach reserves the right" is ridiculous because it didn't happen.Which is why the original idea that Fox called those plays is just a load of crap. 



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Posted 07 February 2014 - 09:39 AM

fox didn't abandon it. It abandoned Fox. You must not have watched the game. they were totally shutdown.

Bottom line is the comments about Fox were not based on reality but based on dislike for fox and the mob mentality to try to pile on.the whole "head coach reserves the right" is ridiculous because it didn't happen.Which is why the original idea that Fox called those plays is just a load of crap. 

 

So if the team is running draw plays the HC can't do anything about it? He has no say about punting on 4th down? LOL! 

 

You must not know anything about football if you think that. 

 

But don't take my word for it, watch the replay of the Sound FX SB episode that aired last night and listen to Fox direct the play calling.... 

 

No mob mentality here, I was actually rooting for Fox to win because he seems like a decent guy and he gave us some good memories... I'm just pointing out that his old habits showed up, it was a "Foxball" clinic. 

 

If coach Fox was a boxer, he would block punches with his face and wait for the other guy to break a knuckle. 



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Posted 07 February 2014 - 01:44 PM

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Posted 07 February 2014 - 01:48 PM

It's not a failure, but when you go to the Superbowl and get blown out that badly, and you just went 13-3 the year before, you can't call it a success.

As a matter of fact, I feel better as a panther fan than I would as a broncos fan given how the season panned out.


Agreed, their expectations across the league were much higher than ours. I felt bad losing by 13.... so yeh. Haha!

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Posted 07 February 2014 - 03:11 PM

So if the team is running draw plays the HC can't do anything about it? He has no say about punting on 4th down? LOL! 

 

You must not know anything about football if you think that. 

 

But don't take my word for it, watch the replay of the Sound FX SB episode that aired last night and listen to Fox direct the play calling.... 

 

No mob mentality here, I was actually rooting for Fox to win because he seems like a decent guy and he gave us some good memories... I'm just pointing out that his old habits showed up, it was a "Foxball" clinic. 

 

If coach Fox was a boxer, he would block punches with his face and wait for the other guy to break a knuckle. 

itis always "if" and that don't fly. Making up stuff is not the same as knowing stuff. And that is what you have done.you have turned the question from what he did to what he is able to do.he also could have called a timeout before they snapped the ball in the EZ for a safety. He has that option as HC.That's how ridiculous your argument is right now. Then turning it into the epitome of ridiculousness by saying "you must not know anything about football." Which is pretty much an inherently false statement to make to anyone.

 



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Posted 07 February 2014 - 03:15 PM

Football...that's the little round one with the dimples, right?



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Posted 07 February 2014 - 03:54 PM

itis always "if" and that don't fly. Making up stuff is not the same as knowing stuff. And that is what you have done.you have turned the question from what he did to what he is able to do.he also could have called a timeout before they snapped the ball in the EZ for a safety. He has that option as HC.That's how ridiculous your argument is right now. Then turning it into the epitome of ridiculousness by saying "you must not know anything about football." Which is pretty much an inherently false statement to make to anyone.

 

My "if" was part of a rhetorical question to you... I know for a fact that the HC has ultimate control over play calling and I know for a fact that Fox was exerting that control throughout the game simply by watching the sound FX episode I recommend you watch. He made the decision to go for it on one 4th down and he was constantly on his headset giving his coordinators direction on the kinds of play calling he wanted to see. 

 

Based on these facts, it is more than entirely fair to blame the HC for any and all play calling decisions because he has the ultimate authority to make these decisions. Fox himself would tell you that he's ultimately to blame for any and all bad play calling decisions during the game.

 

For me to have to defend the idea that the HC is ultimately in charge of all in-game decisions including play calling is ridiculous... it's like having to defend the notion that the sky is blue. If you don't understand that the HC has this authority and regularly exercises it, then I'm not sure where to go from here?

 

So now that we've established that, in my opinion the decision to punt the ball and run draw plays on 3rd down when you have a 30 point (or more) deficit to make up in the SB is totally absurd and serve as fine examples of Fox's biggest limitation as a HC... to be more blunt, I don't think he has the balls it takes to win championships or if he does he certainly didn't show them on Sunday. 



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Posted 07 February 2014 - 03:58 PM

 The blue sky is really just an optical illusion...



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Posted 07 February 2014 - 04:04 PM

My "if" was part of a rhetorical question to you... I know for a fact that the HC has ultimate control over play calling and I know for a fact that Fox was exerting that control throughout the game simply by watching the sound FX episode I recommend you watch. He made the decision to go for it on one 4th down and he was constantly on his headset giving his coordinators direction on the kinds of play calling he wanted to see. 

 

Based on these facts, it is more than entirely fair to blame the HC for any and all play calling decisions because he has the ultimate authority to make these decisions. Fox himself would tell you that he's ultimately to blame for any and all bad play calling decisions during the game.

 

For me to have to defend the idea that the HC is ultimately in charge of all in-game decisions including play calling is ridiculous... it's like having to defend the notion that the sky is blue. If you don't understand that the HC has this authority and regularly exercises it, then I'm not sure where to go from here?

 

So now that we've established that, in my opinion the decision to punt the ball and run draw plays on 3rd down when you have a 30 point (or more) deficit to make up in the SB is totally absurd and serve as fine examples of Fox's biggest limitation as a HC... to be more blunt, I don't think he has the balls it takes to win championships or if he does he certainly didn't show them on Sunday. 

again you make it what it is not about.your premise and conclusion are far from the original point. which was that Fox only called punts and draw plays. now you have turned it inot the HC has the right do change calls and make calls which is not in dispute. The funny thing is you try to prove your point by showing Fox in fact went for it on 4th down instead of punting. so now you say it is his fault they only punted and ran draws because he didn't punt on a 4th down play.Yeah, keep the logic coming.

 You know if you find yourself in a hole you should stop digging. You are making your argument stronger by disproving it.




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