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#81 CatMan72

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Posted 07 February 2014 - 09:00 PM

sorry incorrect again.now I see why you throw out the strawman so much, it gives you something to grasp at. changing the argument all the time is why you can't really get anywhere.

losers mentality is =quit.

 No where have I said the HC does not bear responsibility for his team getting beat that bad.I only said a draw play and 2 punts was not the reason nor a microcosm of the reason. Then you went on for several pages trying to show how they were. I think if you bark up the right tree maybe preparation would be a more reasonable issue to point to.

 Manning was pretty bad but i think the Broncos can work on improving without cutting him.bottom line #2 is that Fox didn't lose because of the draw play or the 2 punts or because of some corny saying or because he claps his hands.That is also not a real reason to believe he will never win the SB.

 

i would say that many would probably agree that if you lose 43-8, that the other team was better.I think they would agree to that without the worry of the stigma of a losers mentality.

 

But why would preparation matter if the other team was just better? Don't change your mantra now. 



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Posted 07 February 2014 - 09:12 PM

Broncos were obviously not prepared... another classic Fox calling card along with his total inability to make in-game or halftime adjustments. Did it occur to coach during his 2 weeks of preparation that the stadium might be really loud for the first snap of the SB so they should plan to start with a silent count? LOL

 

I mean the punting and draw plays in the 2nd half are only the tip of the coaching ineptitude iceberg that was on display Sunday. 

 

If only coach Fox had a first ballot HOF QB who just finished setting the record for the most TD passes in a single season... oh wait. 

 

Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed watching them try to dink and dunk their way out of a 29 and 36 point deficit in the 2nd half. I wonder if it ever occurred to coach Fox that they were playing right into the strength of the Seahawks defense. 

 

Watch the sound FX episode, Pete Carroll didn't even have his headset on for most of the game... he didn't need it to out coach Fox. 



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Posted 07 February 2014 - 09:16 PM

heel, you are a masterful troll... I salute you. 

 

If you can honestly live with an "it is what it is" explanation of a 43-8 beat down then I envy you, things are not quite so simple in the real world. 

oh you are trying to talk reality now... oh ok..

 It was a great year for the Broncos they came up short but you have to give credit to Seattle.That's the reality.

  I fail to see how I am a troll when I am only sticking with what I beleive to be true. how would that make me a troll. I give my thoughts and stand behind them. Just because you don't agree and can't make me agree you call me a troll. I wouldn't call you a troll or anyone else because of what they believe no matter how wrong I think they may be.  



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Posted 07 February 2014 - 09:17 PM

Pssst... it's Webster's, but please go on. 

yes I know. that's the point.



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Posted 07 February 2014 - 09:20 PM

But why would preparation matter if the other team was just better? Don't change your mantra now. 

mantra has nothing to do with anything I just try to stay on topic but that doesn't limit how many topics can be discussed in context. The point was for you to maybe come up with a legitimate point. if you want to discuss that I am fine with it.We can discuss what it matters but I don't think you really want to you are just trying to find that one zinger. Keep trying you may get there.



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Posted 07 February 2014 - 09:27 PM

Broncos were obviously not prepared... another classic Fox calling card along with his total inability to make in-game or halftime adjustments. Did it occur to coach during his 2 weeks of preparation that the stadium might be really loud for the first snap of the SB so they should plan to start with a silent count? LOL

 

I mean the punting and draw plays in the 2nd half are only the tip of the coaching ineptitude iceberg that was on display Sunday. 

 

If only coach Fox had a first ballot HOF QB who just finished setting the record for the most TD passes in a single season... oh wait. 

 

Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed watching them try to dink and dunk their way out of a 29 and 36 point deficit in the 2nd half. I wonder if it ever occurred to coach Fox that they were playing right into the strength of the Seahawks defense. 

 

Watch the sound FX episode, Pete Carroll didn't even have his headset on for most of the game... he didn't need it to out coach Fox. 

1 punt. not an issue in the real world. I don't know what occurred to him but that wasn't the point you made. i have not defended his preparation which is why I suggested that it would have been a legitimate point. So do you want to make it about that? I agree they were not prepared. So then we agree it was not the draw play and the punt really?



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Posted 07 February 2014 - 09:30 PM

oh you are trying to talk reality now... oh ok..

 It was a great year for the Broncos they came up short but you have to give credit to Seattle.That's the reality.

  I fail to see how I am a troll when I am only sticking with what I beleive to be true. how would that make me a troll. I give my thoughts and stand behind them. Just because you don't agree and can't make me agree you call me a troll. I wouldn't call you a troll or anyone else because of what they believe no matter how wrong I think they may be.  

 

You are entitled to your opinion... you just don't seem to think I'm entitled to mine.

 

I acknowledged a few pages ago that we're not going to agree and that's okay. 



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Posted 07 February 2014 - 09:35 PM

1 punt. not an issue in the real world. I don't know what occurred to him but that wasn't the point you made. i have not defended his preparation which is why I suggested that it would have been a legitimate point. So do you want to make it about that? I agree they were not prepared. So then we agree it was not the draw play and the punt really?

 

For the sake of argument, let's say it was just 1 draw play and 1 punt... I'm not sure why it would occur to you to do either of those things in the 2nd half of the SB when you're down 29-0 or 36-0 or 36-8 or 43-8. What are you protecting at that point? You have the best passing attack in the league, wouldn't you continue to lean on that to try and catch up? 

 

I didn't bring up the lack of preparation because I thought that was obvious... when you lose 43-8 there was a problem with your preparation. 

 

Maybe it's semantics, but I would not categorize a 43-8 beating as "coming up short". 



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Posted 07 February 2014 - 09:49 PM

For the sake of argument, let's say it was just 1 draw play and 1 punt... I'm not sure why it would occur to you to do either of those things in the 2nd half of the SB when you're down 29-0 or 36-0 or 36-8 or 43-8. What are you protecting at that point? You have the best passing attack in the league, wouldn't you continue to lean on that to try and catch up? 

 

I didn't bring up the lack of preparation because I thought that was obvious... when you lose 43-8 there was a problem with your preparation. 

 

Maybe it's semantics, but I would not categorize a 43-8 beating as "coming up short". 

maybe semantics ask Elway he said it.

  Early 3rd qtr you are having trouble moving the ball 4th and 11. If you are thinking about a comeback then there is time at that pt. Punt and try to pin them back . Get a stop and some momentum. it worked out as they did stop them and got the ball back. That was the only punt of the second half for Denver.

 

 did you listen to the "presser"?



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Posted 07 February 2014 - 10:22 PM

maybe semantics ask Elway he said it.

  Early 3rd qtr you are having trouble moving the ball 4th and 11. If you are thinking about a comeback then there is time at that pt. Punt and try to pin them back . Get a stop and some momentum. it worked out as they did stop them and got the ball back. That was the only punt of the second half for Denver.

 

 did you listen to the "presser"?

 

Of course Elway said that in the press conference... he's the GM and it's his job to try to put some sort of positive spin on it for the fans. I didn't realize you were quoting his press conference GM speak. What's he going to do, get up there and talk about how the Broncos were totally outclassed and humiliated? 

 

Early 3rd quarter is was 29-0 and the Seahawks had all the momentum. A bold move was long overdue and it never came. Yes, they were able to drive down the field and get 8 points... that didn't seem to give them much momentum but at least they got on the scoreboard (for whatever that's worth at that point). When they started consistently going for it on 4th down the score was 43-8 and the game was over... but you have no other choice at that point so I'm not going to give Fox credit for that. 

 

I hate to praise the Saints but Sean Payton had the right idea with that onside kick coming out of halftime and he was facing a much smaller deficit than Fox was, but the Colts were picking them apart and it was time for a bold move to change the momentum of the game, which it did. 




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