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Michael Sam, draft prospect, admits he's gay

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I'm sorry that happened to you. He was disrespectful, there are disrespectful people everywhere that fug up peoples days everyday

 

I've enjoyed our debate TRG.  You seem like a good reasonable man.  None of what I have to say is directed towards anyone that just wants to play ball.

 

Gay people deserve the same rights, and they're getting them.  We could have a toast to that.  I'm not trying to offend anyone by categorizing them as a stereo type.

 

I'm just saying that if there is one thing on this planet that people actually own it's their bodies, and for most they choose to keep it sacred for those who they want to see it.

 

Showers are a necessity, but individuals shouldn't feel pressure to share it with anyone if they feel there's even a possibility of being objectified.   This goes for men and women.

 

So how do we gracefully navigate these waters so where everyone is happy?

 

Equality isn't about being overt and infringing others ideals whether they're the same or not.  It's not about proving a point to someone that doesn't agree with you.  It's about equal treatment....which I believe in, and I think gays are finally starting to get.  Gay men are equal to any other man....they're just different in what they want.

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My bad you quoted me and I was in a rush to get ready for work so I assumed that was towards me.

I just completely disagree and I've gave examples why. Because I've personally experienced this and because I think there are definitive differences between men and women in the shower

generally, yes, but i don't like lumping people into generalities saying that all men/women/old/young/black/white/straight/gay/married/unmarried/jew/muslims/whatever actt he same or think the same. we all have our individual quirks and hang ups.

 

when i was 13 or 14 i remember feeling wierd changing in the lockerroom, but i did it. it was just different. i remember some kids that would change in the stalls. i remember feeling wierd taking showers in the communal showers. i remember some kids bringing a note from home saying that they didn't have to do any of it. for most guys, this wasn't an issue at all. it was for me, but not for long. as uncomfortable as it was, i got used to it....just like most did. i think when anyone does something different or is in a situation where you have to do something that is outside your comfort zone, it's going to be hard initially for many.

 

i know it's a different situation, but my point is people are going to look and feel about this in different ways and they are going to deal with it in different ways. i have helped people stop smoking and drinking before. i've helped people overcome addiction and other harmful things that they wanted/needed to overcome. what i realized is that everyone deals with it differently and some can't be helped, but that doesn't stop me from trying to help when my help is wanted and/or asked for. i know that change doesn't come easily. it sucks that people have to overcome harmful addictions just like it sucks that people have to overcome harmful attitudes about other people. there is no solution that works for everyone and that is because everyone's brain works differently. we're all unique.

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It's not really that big of a story.  We're talking about a gay football player that's slated to go in the mid round.  Problem is....all your activist groups are using it as a vehicle to push their agenda.....which is why it's been made into a bigger story then it should be.  If gays are truly wanting equality then they shouldn't even try to make it a story on the scale they're pushing it. 

 

Poor Missouri football had no choice but to take the company line or their university would have been absolutely pulverized by the media and they would have lost a lot of money.  I'm sure there were a some football players on that team that were a tad uncomfortable with it secretly but bit the bullet for the sake of their university. 

 

The media is making it out like Sam came out, and then the entire Missouri football team had a slumber party in celebration of his big moment.   I doubt that was the case.

 

Once again....Sam's a good football player and he deserves his shot at the big time.  

 

You'll know if there's a true concern by NFL players by how far he drops in the draft which I think is going to happen.  Not because I want it to, but no one want that's circus.

 

Now if he drops in the draft past his projection the NFL will have a mess on their hands.  

 

This was a calculated move by a gay rights group that Sam is probably affiliated with.  I'm not mad at them....clever move.  Still though.....separate showers for all players solves the problem.

 

Now any straight male that doesn't want to take a shower with a gay guy is being labeled a discriminatory bigot. 

 

If he makes it to the NFL, he will be the first openly gay, active NFL player in the history of the game. That makes it a big deal for the same reason Jackie Robinson was a big deal, Amelia Earhart was a big deal, or Edmund Hillary was a big deal. The first to do something tends to be a big deal in a lot of cases.

 

Also, is it not just as likely that Sam came out publicly so teams would know that there is going to be a bit of a media circus by drafting him instead of a surprise circus if TMZ winds up with photos of him and his boyfriend kissing during a playoff run?

 

Then he gets labeled as untrustworthy & a troublemaker because he didn't let people know.

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lol @ straight men that don't want to be objectified

 

hypocrites

That's funny from a guy who calls himself Porn shop clerk.  

 

I think you've been around those toys and dvds too long.

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If he makes it to the NFL, he will be the first openly gay, active NFL player in the history of the game. That makes it a big deal for the same reason Jackie Robinson was a big deal, Amelia Earhart was a big deal, or Edmund Hillary was a big deal. The first to do something tends to be a big deal in a lot of cases.

 

Also, is it not just as likely that Sam came out publicly so teams would know that there is going to be a bit of a media circus by drafting him instead of a surprise circus if TMZ winds up with photos of him and his boyfriend kissing during a playoff run?

 

Then he gets labeled as untrustworthy & a troublemaker because he didn't let people know.

 

I don't think there is a question about how Michael Sam is going to act.  He's going to be under the eye of the media so much that he's going to be a perfect citizen.  He seems to be a class act.

 

I'm talking about the future.

 

There may not be an issue at all....but there may be.

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So if Goodell mandated individual shower stalls in every locker room in the NFL, would that be a good or bad thing?

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If he makes it to the NFL, he will be the first openly gay, active NFL player in the history of the game. That makes it a big deal for the same reason Jackie Robinson was a big deal, Amelia Earhart was a big deal, or Edmund Hillary was a big deal. The first to do something tends to be a big deal in a lot of cases.

 

Also, is it not just as likely that Sam came out publicly so teams would know that there is going to be a bit of a media circus by drafting him instead of a surprise circus if TMZ winds up with photos of him and his boyfriend kissing during a playoff run?

 

Then he gets labeled as untrustworthy & a troublemaker because he didn't let people know.

 

No offense it will never be anything near Jackie Robinson or Amelia Earhart  That's race and gender and there was very tangible violence involved in the black civil rights movement. Gays are not a race or a gender like the leaders of the gay rights movement are trying to make themselves out to be. There have already been gays that played they just kept it from their team until the time was right which imo is still the best thing to do if their going to share a locker room with a bunch of straight dudes and need their trust to further their pro career so they can make millions of dollars. Gay civil rights have been a relative cake walk compared to black civil rights or the women suffragete movement.  I don't see any masked men riding around on horses burning gay bars or burning crosses into the front lawns of salons where gay hairstylist work. God forbid Michael Sam doesn't play in the NFL and has to get a normal job like the rest of the billions and billions of people on the planet.

 

Blacks still have it worse then anyone in this country....especially in Charleston where I'm from. Gay people have their bars, high paying jobs, tv programs, broke back mountain, have always been able to vote, and weren't enslaved and put on ships where many of them died.  Gays have the support of the media.  They did have it bad during the Inquisition and the witch burnings 400 to 500 years ago. For some reason they want to put their cause on the same level as blacks or even jews (which I'm of jewish decent and had great aunts and uncles put in gas chambers) for that matter, but it will never be as significant. 

 

I don't get any vibe from modern society that is anti-gay. I don't hear people yelling "faguht" at gays like they may have in the 50s or 60s. In fact everything has been positive from the news and the media about Michael Sam and the gay movement in general.   This should be the point where gays finally have a realization that they their not oppressed today.  Maybe by some bullys in elementary school, or by narrow minded parents. No one else give a crap if someone's gay.   They just don't want to have to be naked in the same room.

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So if Goodell mandated individual shower stalls in every locker room in the NFL, would that be a good or bad thing?

 

I would say it would reactionary in a bad way.You aint gonna catch the gay

 

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I would say it would reactionary in a bad way.You aint gonna catch the gay

 

 

It would probably be misconstrued as a bad thing when really it's not.  

 

You're right though it would be painted as a bad thing by the liberal media, when really it's just and individual right to privacy thing.

 

Just another thing to further leverage and try to contort popular opinion.  I wouldn't be surprised if they start pushing a pro gay agenda considering in the next 50 years this planet is going to have a serious over population problem.  

 

That may sound dumb, but not if you think about it.

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I think Goodell might be well advised to do something like the individual stalls.

 

A lot of guys in the NFL are not as "cool" with the situation as others and to avoid a lot of bad publicity, he could get in front of it.

 

Some players still might not like having a gay teammate, but would have no excuse to act like an azz.

Some would want immediate change no matter who it might upset, so they probably would make statements like "you can't catch the gay"

 

But either way, it might save football, while football crosses a barrier.  The last thing the owners would want is to have players "tweeting" their ignorance.

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