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I'd give them hendo, Gordon and a Portland's pick for Barnes. Offensively him and mkg will coexist and mkg is a versatile enough defender to guard any perimeter player so no problem on that end either. Do not give up on mkg!!!!! He isn't ever going to be mj but he could be someone's pippen, don't give that away.

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I'm not trying to be too hard on him, I just don't think we should've ever taken him with the #2 and I don't ever see his shot improving enough to be consistent from anywhere on the court...  Unless it's a layup or a dunk, he has to feel like the luckiest man in the NBA when it goes in.

 

Some guys have hitches in their shots - Reggie Miller, Larry Bird, Michael Redd, Ben Gordon, Jason Terry, etc., but all of those guys were able to shoot and score.  MKG's hitch is 100x worse than any of those guys because it's not fluid.  I think the difference is, with all those examples, once the ball was moving forward (the actual pushing of the ball towards the goal, rather than the windup), it didn't stop.  MKG's hitch is so abrupt it just destroys all rhythm and because of that, I don't think it can ever be fixed.  He's already been with Mark Price since the start of the offseason, and to this point, we've seen zero improvement.

 

His ability to finish at the rim is AMAZING.  His defensive abilities and rebounding for his position are off the charts.  BUT, without a shot, he will not ever come anywhere near Pippen.  And I just don't see him changing his shot.

I like your idea though.  I'd rather hold onto MKG if it is between he and Hendo. 

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I don't think MKG "is a better prospect than Barnes in every statistical measure aside from scoring." And regardless, when our team needs a wing scorer that can create his own shot or shots for others, then it kind of negates everything else that MKG does. We're sound defensively without him... NOT AS SOUND, but still really good. We need work on offense, specifically perimeter shooting/scoring.

http://www.nba.com/advancedstats/player-vs-player.html#Michael-Kidd-Gilchrist-vs-Harrison-Barnes|203077,203084;year=201213;season=r

The problem is that Barnes isn't an impact scorer, like I said he only scores .8 more in slightly higher minutes. He hasn't shown he can create for himself or others either.

I'll take the do-it-all player over the scorer (or in this case "scorer") every time. But even if you prefer the scorer, throwing in a potential top ten pick to get a similar prospect is simply an overpay.

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I was just thinking though... What if we did complete the trade for Turner without using our first rounder somehow?  Perhaps using Sessions as well?

 

And then moving Hendo and the first for Barnes?

 

If we were able to complete the Turner trade without giving up the Portland pick, and then were able to make the move for Barnes, that gives us a starting lineup of:

 

C Jefferson

PF McRoberts (ughhh)

SF Barnes

SG Kidd-Gilchrist
PG Kemba

 

With Turner as an interchangeable part from the 1-3 as the sixth man.  Bring Turner in to run the point when Kemba rests, AND at times run with Kemba so Kemba can do what he does best - SCORE.

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The problem is that Barnes isn't an impact scorer, like I said he only scores .8 more in slightly higher minutes. He hasn't shown he can create for himself or others either.

I'll take the do-it-all player over the scorer (or in this case "scorer") every time. But even if you prefer the scorer, throwing in a potential top ten pick to get a similar prospect is simply an overpay.

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Did you watch him in the playoffs last season, when everyone says the level of play actually goes up compared to the regular season?

 

He has struggled this season because they're bringing him off the bench, he's having difficulty adjusting, and by most accounts, is very unhappy because of it.  He isn't able to play his game in his current role.

 

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The problem is that Barnes isn't an impact scorer, like I said he only scores .8 more in slightly higher minutes. He hasn't shown he can create for himself or others either.

I'll take the do-it-all player over the scorer (or in this case "scorer") every time. But even if you prefer the scorer, throwing in a potential top ten pick to get a similar prospect is simply an overpay.

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When Barnes is on the floor he's never any higher than the 4th option. There are a ton of scorers on that team. If he became the 2-3 option I think you'd see much more production. He's proven he can nail a 3-pointer. Would be great having Al kick it to him rather than Hendo.
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I hate doing these things because they are so far fetched and almost impossible to pull off when you're talking about a 3-team deal, but I actually view these as two separate deals that play off of one another.  Also, I don't buy that this trade would drop us by 2 wins, lol...

 

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=m2esonr

 

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When Barnes is on the floor he's never any higher than the 4th option. There are a ton of scorers on that team. If he became the 2-3 option I think you'd see much more production. He's proven he can nail a 3-pointer. Would be great having Al kick it to him rather than Hendo.

I'd trade Hendo for him in a second, but not MKG. Having a wing that can actually hit a three would do wonders for Kemba, MKG, and even help Al.

That said, this team was much worse with MKG out, and I think replacing him with Barnes would have an overall negative impact. But MKG's slashing and Barnes' shooting would actually be a very good complement.

IF the Warriors were to move Barnes, they'd likely find Hendo more enticing anyway as he could give them some much-needed bench scoring. They're treading water as the eighth seed so they're probably gonna have to move a rookie contract for immediate help, and I don't see them trading Thompson.

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I'm not trying to be too hard on him, I just don't think we should've ever taken him with the #2 and I don't ever see his shot improving enough to be consistent from anywhere on the court... Unless it's a layup or a dunk, he has to feel like the luckiest man in the NBA when it goes in.

Some guys have hitches in their shots - Reggie Miller, Larry Bird, Michael Redd, Ben Gordon, Jason Terry, etc., but all of those guys were able to shoot and score. MKG's hitch is 100x worse than any of those guys because it's not fluid. I think the difference is, with all those examples, once the ball was moving forward (the actual pushing of the ball towards the goal, rather than the windup), it didn't stop. MKG's hitch is so abrupt it just destroys all rhythm and because of that, I don't think it can ever be fixed. He's already been with Mark Price since the start of the offseason, and to this point, we've seen zero improvement.

His ability to finish at the rim is AMAZING. His defensive abilities and rebounding for his position are off the charts. BUT, without a shot, he will not ever come anywhere near Pippen. And I just don't see him changing his shot.

I like your idea though. I'd rather hold onto MKG if it is between he and Hendo.

I understand his shot is hideous; I have zero idea how someone develops that kind of motion. However I think he can work on it and get to a point where you have to at least respect his shot. He isn't going to be Reggie Miller but if he just get a 33% corner three then he will be fine. He does everything else so well with potential to get better I would hate for the team to give up on him. Is he even 20 yet?

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I hate doing these things because they are so far fetched and almost impossible to pull off when you're talking about a 3-team deal, but I actually view these as two separate deals that play off of one another.  Also, I don't buy that this trade would drop us by 2 wins, lol...

 

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=m2esonr

 

 

This could work, though I think if we sent Ramon to Golden State I think it'd give them greater incentive. How about this?

 

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=kgdnf3z

 

We'd also send the Sixers the Portland pick. Warriors use their Richard Jefferson trade exception to take on both Hendo and Ramon, and the 76ers get a pick and take on no other salary past this season. It also works if we take on JRich's contract:

 

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=k8x584v 

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Yeah, that looks a lot more doable for them, and I think they'd (GSW) be more willing to do that deal getting Hendo and Sessions, whereas Philly really does just want the picks and space.  I'd do that in a millisecond, lol.

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