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Posted 11 February 2014 - 03:32 PM

I'd much rather we offer the package we're offering the Sixers to Golden State for Harrison Barnes instead.  It's been reported that everyone is available from them (for the right price, obviously), outside of Bogut and Curry.  In that case, I'd even throw in MKG if they wanted him, plus the first-rounder, plus BG's contract.

 

I just don't find Evan Turner worth what they're asking.  He's typically the type of guy that a team keeps dangling out there and eventually he gets traded for like an expiring and multiple 2nd round picks.  I just don't want him really, especially not for what they're asking, and I don't really see how he makes us dramatically better.

 

I wouldn't give up a first rounder, MKG and BG's contract for just Harrison Barnes.... 



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Posted 11 February 2014 - 03:38 PM

I wouldn't give up a first rounder, MKG and BG's contract for just Harrison Barnes.... 

 

We need offense and he's shown the ability to give copious amount of it when he gets the minutes, AND at the playoff level.  I mean, we're essentially offering the same thing minus MKG for a lesser skilled player in Turner, who likely has tapped out his potential. 

I include MKG because they certainly wouldn't move Barnes for an expiring and a pick.  They want something in return that they hope will push them over the top for the playoffs.  MKG's defense and rebounding would be a valuable asset to them.  That being said, I don't see them finding him valuable enough to move Barnes.



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Posted 11 February 2014 - 03:40 PM

I'd much rather we offer the package we're offering the Sixers to Golden State for Harrison Barnes instead.  It's been reported that everyone is available from them (for the right price, obviously), outside of Bogut and Curry.  In that case, I'd even throw in MKG if they wanted him, plus the first-rounder, plus BG's contract.

 

 

I don't think I follow....are you saying throw all of that in just for Harrison Barnes?  



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Posted 11 February 2014 - 03:49 PM

I don't think I follow....are you saying throw all of that in just for Harrison Barnes?  

 

Yes.  Again, if we're offering BG and a 1st rounder for Turner, I don't understand why it seems to be a huge leap to throw in MKG as well for Barnes.  Barnes is younger and has a lot more potential and would be a move that fans would get excited about.



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Posted 11 February 2014 - 04:12 PM

Yes.  Again, if we're offering BG and a 1st rounder for Turner, I don't understand why it seems to be a huge leap to throw in MKG as well for Barnes.  Barnes is younger and has a lot more potential and would be a move that fans would get excited about.

 

 

For me I guess the problem would be this.....Barnes was the better player when they were drafted two years ago, he's the better player now, and he will be the better player in the future.  Any time it was suggested we draft Barnes (because UNC fans knew the talent he had would translate well to the NBA) all the ABC-ers said we were just looking at it through our "Heels-colored glasses".   Now here were are two years later talking about swapping picks (Barnes/MKG), giving up a 1st round pick, and an expiring contract just to get a guy who we passed on already.  I'm a Barnes fan and I'd love him here, but I would honestly lose all faith in Cho and the front office (the little bit I have left) if they made that move.  Not to mention it's looking like they missed on Zeller, too.  

 

If we're really talking about packaging MKG then I think him plus BG is plenty.  They're adding a raw talent in MKG, who can help them defensively and they're giving up a player in Barnes who is their 6th man.   



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Posted 11 February 2014 - 04:24 PM

For me I guess the problem would be this.....Barnes was the better player when they were drafted two years ago, he's the better player now, and he will be the better player in the future.  Any time it was suggested we draft Barnes (because UNC fans knew the talent he had would translate well to the NBA) all the ABC-ers said we were just looking at it through our "Heels-colored glasses".   Now here were are two years later talking about swapping picks (Barnes/MKG), giving up a 1st round pick, and an expiring contract just to get a guy who we passed on already.  I'm a Barnes fan and I'd love him here, but I would honestly lose all faith in Cho and the front office (the little bit I have left) if they made that move.  Not to mention it's looking like they missed on Zeller, too.  

 

If we're really talking about packaging MKG then I think him plus BG is plenty.  They're adding a raw talent in MKG, who can help them defensively and they're giving up a player in Barnes who is their 6th man.   

 

Yeah, that angle doesn't bother me much because I'm used to our franchise making huge mistakes in the draft and then spending the subsequent years trying to fix what they messed up, lol.  We've done it for our entire existence - outside of Kemba.

So, that's why I would be all for it.

As far as what we did that draft...  I didn't know that I wanted Barnes that high per se, BUT I knew with certainty that I DID NOT want MKG.  So, to me, anyone other than him at #2 - Beal, Barnes, whoever - would've been an exponentially better pick. 

I've probably mentioned here before, but I was actually in school with HB both years, and I was actually disappointed in how he had performed while there.  I wasn't sure he was going to be able to do what he did in the playoffs last year.  I knew he had the ability, I just didn't know if he could do it.  BUT, again, when it came to the draft, I much rather would've taken him to find out if he could rather than take the risk of drafting MKG and his non-existent offensive game.

 

I just think that MKG's performance thus far has shown that for as amazing as he is defensively, he will never significantly improve enough offensively to justify that #2 pick.  He's essentially Stacey Augmon. 
 



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Posted 11 February 2014 - 04:36 PM

MKG is a better prospect than Barnes by every statistical measure aside from scoring (and Barnes averages a whopping 0.8 more points). Then consider the fact that MKG is already a lockdown defender and is 16 months younger...

I'm a UNC fan who didn't want MKG, but I can't get behind this. Barnes is likely on the block due to the Warriors struggling a bit of late, and he could certainly be had for much less than what's being discussed.

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Posted 11 February 2014 - 04:44 PM

MKG is a better prospect than Barnes by every statistical measure aside from scoring (and Barnes averages a whopping 0.8 more points). Then consider the fact that MKG is already a lockdown defender and is 16 months younger...

I'm a UNC fan who didn't want MKG, but I can't get behind this. Barnes is likely on the block due to the Warriors struggling a bit of late, and he could certainly be had for much less than what's being discussed.

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I don't think MKG "is a better prospect than Barnes in every statistical measure aside from scoring."  And regardless, when our team needs a wing scorer that can create his own shot or shots for others, then it kind of negates everything else that MKG does.  We're sound defensively without him...  NOT AS SOUND, but still really good.  We need work on offense, specifically perimeter shooting/scoring.

 

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Posted 11 February 2014 - 05:04 PM

Yeah, that angle doesn't bother me much because I'm used to our franchise making huge mistakes in the draft and then spending the subsequent years trying to fix what they messed up, lol.  We've done it for our entire existence - outside of Kemba.

So, that's why I would be all for it.

As far as what we did that draft...  I didn't know that I wanted Barnes that high per se, BUT I knew with certainty that I DID NOT want MKG.  So, to me, anyone other than him at #2 - Beal, Barnes, whoever - would've been an exponentially better pick. 

I've probably mentioned here before, but I was actually in school with HB still both years, and I was actually disappointed in how he had performed while there.  I wasn't sure he was going to be able to do what he did in the playoffs last year.  I knew he had the ability, I just didn't know if he could do it.  BUT, again, when it came to the draft, I much rather would've taken him to find out if he could rather than take the risk of drafting MKG and his non-existent offensive game.

 

I just think that MKG's performance thus far has shown that for as amazing as he is defensively, he will never significantly improve enough offensively to justify that #2 pick.  He's essentially Stacey Augmon. 
 

 

 

I didn't think we could draft Barnes at #2 either.  Everyone always screams "trade down", but that wasn't going to happen in that draft.  After AD there were ZERO players that fit the obvious #2.  I was also disappointed with HB at UNC, but I believed his game would be better against NBA "defenses".  I kept hearing the know that he couldn't drive to the rim - that's a load of poo.  

 

I'm just not ready to give up on MKG.  I think if we can get a scoring 2 to go with Kemba and Big Al, along with a little-more-than-serviceable 4, it will take offensive pressure off of MKG and make him the 5th option.  He can still rebound, get to the rim, and finish.  

 

Again...I'd much rather have HB.  But the thought of giving up so much for him just freaking kills me.  At some point someone's got to get ONE of these draft picks right.  



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Posted 11 February 2014 - 05:15 PM

I'd give them hendo, Gordon and a Portland's pick for Barnes. Offensively him and mkg will coexist and mkg is a versatile enough defender to guard any perimeter player so no problem on that end either. Do not give up on mkg!!!!! He isn't ever going to be mj but he could be someone's pippen, don't give that away.

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