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#25 gmonjimbo

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Posted 20 February 2014 - 01:07 PM

In order to beat those team your going to have to beat their defense and the only way to do it is run the ball and score in the redzone, where we left 14pts off the board at goal line!!!! vs the 49rs.

 

 

Solution: Draft top talent for OL and WR/TE for the passing game.

 

Yes I understand that they need to improve on offense. I just want to point out that when the d-line is tired or is unable to generate pressure, our defense gets picked apart.  I never said that the Panthers should use a 1st round pick on a DB, but if they can trade Hardy for a 2nd round pick and use that pick on a DB and sign 1-2 more in FA, then they are free to go all out on offense during the draft. 



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Posted 20 February 2014 - 01:08 PM

Addison is already better than hardy was his rookie year but he needs to continue to develop

i would have a hard time disagreeing with this.

 

he sure made the most of every opportunity he was given. not sure why that wouldn't continue to be the case.

 

a huge part of that development might be just getting him more PT and experience. it sure didn't hurt hardy any.
 



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Posted 20 February 2014 - 04:50 PM

Hey so if we kept hardy and brought in oh you know ware from dallas....

 

Think we would be a force?

No way in hell dallas is paying his ass



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Posted 21 February 2014 - 12:33 AM

i would have a hard time disagreeing with this.

he sure made the most of every opportunity he was given. not sure why that wouldn't continue to be the case.

a huge part of that development might be just getting him more PT and experience. it sure didn't hurt hardy any.


I think Addison and Greg are just on different levels athletically. Addison could turn into an elite rotational guy, slightly above average starter.

If hardy walks ( I've already made my peace with this) we will look to replace next year if imagine)

I like what you stated before though hardy leaving will not cripple us. If this is what it takes to make us a more rounded team I will take the 5th or 6th ranked defense and a 10th ranked offense over a 1st or 2nd ranked defense and a 25th or 26th ranked offense.

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Posted 21 February 2014 - 12:37 AM

We'l survive the loss, we survived Peppers leaving. 



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Posted 21 February 2014 - 12:38 AM

I think many of us are trying to down play how good Hardy was last season to soften the blow in our minds when/if he walks.


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Posted 21 February 2014 - 01:28 AM

I read this article and thought id share it on here, Who knows what will happen whether we keep Hardy or not but watching both Addison and Alexander they didn't just come in to fill a hole they actually contributed, and alot more than people give them credit for too. Hardy will be a huge miss id be an idiot to say he wouldn't, but with CJ on the other side and two DTs with a years experience behind them maybe all won't be so bad, the numbers put up by both guys aren't bad at all considering how many snaps they were actually on the field, I mean people have said there not every down guys like Hardy but unless there given more snaps how do we know? add to that Horton as a third guy in the rotation who know.
It certainly may stop us from going out and paying for a FA replacement this year or waste a draft pick this year, which will allow other needs to be fixed.
I didn't see much of them at college and only seen them in a few snaps like most fans have, but the coaches seem to think highly of them both. Opinions?

http://sbn.to/1jSzAfn

 I think we would/will miss Hardy more than many here think.



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Posted 21 February 2014 - 02:32 AM

Hey so if we kept hardy and brought in oh you know ware from dallas....

 

Think we would be a force?

No way in hell dallas is paying his ass

 

 

If we let Hardy walk due to monetary issues, what makes you think we can sign Ware?



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Posted 21 February 2014 - 04:50 AM

i think there is some of that, but i think.  lot is also honestly looking at what we would be like if we lost him and realizing that the defense is good enough that it can withstand a loss like that and still be dominant and not take serious steps backward.

 

 

we still have cj and star and kk as well as those LBs behind the DL who will make it easy for his replacement to do his job. we have a great GM who knows a thing or two about building great DLs and a HC and DC who are great at scheming defense.

 

it will hurt a little, but it won't cripple us. we're a whole lot better with him, but still a great D if we were without him.

 

I think that people can look back more objectively because of the time gap. He's good run defender, but to be fair, a mediocre pass rusher. Most of his sacks came against bad teams and a rookie with his first start. If you want the money that he seeks, you want a DE who shows up in big games and good teams.

 

Remember the New England game? CJ gets injured and the pass rush disappears. CJ returns, and the pass rush returns.

 

I agree that CJ, KK and star, and a good DE can get it done if Hardy leaves. With the Cam, Luke and Star's contract coming up, you don't want most of your cap spent on 4 a 5 players.



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Posted 21 February 2014 - 08:28 AM

If we let Hardy walk due to monetary issues, what makes you think we can sign Ware?

 

he's over 30 and coming off a disappointing season.  it could end up that nobody would be willing to offer him top dollar in free agency.



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Posted 21 February 2014 - 08:33 AM

All I know is that I have liked what I've seen from Addison, Alexander and Horton in limited snaps. There is no chopped liver here. Take it however you like.


Agreed plus the added experience of our defensive tackles with CJ coming back healthy will make it a tad bit easier for an average defensive end in comparison. The cap space should allow us to regroup for 2015. It would be hard but we could get a upgraded veteran receiver and a upgrade veteran cornerback this year. Plus we should be able to bring back Mitchell and captain.

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Posted 21 February 2014 - 09:21 AM

I think that people can look back more objectively because of the time gap. He's good run defender, but to be fair, a mediocre pass rusher. Most of his sacks came against bad teams and a rookie with his first start. If you want the money that he seeks, you want a DE who shows up in big games and good teams.

 

Remember the New England game? CJ gets injured and the pass rush disappears. CJ returns, and the pass rush returns.

 

I agree that CJ, KK and star, and a good DE can get it done if Hardy leaves. With the Cam, Luke and Star's contract coming up, you don't want most of your cap spent on 4 a 5 players.

Hardy also takes on the left tackle which is usually the much better pass blocker so you expect him to have a tougher time but not because Johnson is better.  Most time Hardy is also listed as a better run defender and had almost twice as many tackles as Johnson had last year.

 

Johnson really wasn't back 100% until the Atlanta game when he got 2 sacks.  The five games before that he got none.  So really Hardy against New Orleans for example was the whole show.  Sure their tackle was a rookie but even with double teams and Brees throwing so quickly Hardy dominated. 

 

Truth is that Johnson is taking almost 15% of the cap by himself and is not dominant enough to justify it.  Hardy will be cheaper and has more upside.  If I had to choose between them I would take Hardy in a heart beat.  Johnson will only be here because once again Hurney and his crappy contracts coupled with Richardson screwing us in 2010 meant we had to way overpay Johnson to be here and now we are reaping the pain.




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