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#31 Evengelion

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Posted 27 February 2014 - 11:24 AM

Although Jaws was and has been wrong about Cam and Kaep I will have to agree with him here about the beloved Johnny Football.


IMO Manziel makes some of the most amazing plays I have ever seen but he also makes his share of horrible ones to balance that out. I just think his limitations of his size, average arm strength and limited experience reading defenses will hinder him at the next level. Russell Wilson has the same size limitation if not shorter but he has elite arm strength and can read defenses...but most importantly had the mental makeup and maturity that i think Manzel lacks today.

I really agree with Todd Mcshay on his assessment from watching film on Manziel. He said that Manziel makes a lot of horrible decisions in each game and then makes an incredible play to bail him out and wonders how successful that will bein the NFL. He does not view Manziel as a give him the ball and he will win the game guy no matter what the team looks like. One series Johnny will look all world and the next the worst QB ever.

He thinks Manziel can have success but said the team he goes to would have to have the perfect structure...support.. offensive scheme..and worries that teams at the top of the draft that may not offer that...which is typical in the top 5 of most drafts.

Then what would be the reasoning behind someone drafting something like that? That's why I say by the time May come he will fall off everyone's board. I doubt he's even on anyone's board. And the fall out already begins:

 

 

"The one thing about the combine is, you get there, you're around all your contacts, a lot of different NFL people," Jeremiah told "The Dan Patrick Show" on Wednesday. "And it had been so out there that the Browns loved Manziel under the previous regime, and I talked to enough people that firmly believe that that was a total smokescreen."

http://www.nfl.com/n...-johnny-manziel

 

This makes sense because I don't believe Cleveland's new GM won't put his job on the line for Manziel because people get fired pretty quick there. Jacksonville's head coach is probably on the hot seat so he has to at least make right by this pick. So, they won't take unnecessary risk. The Raider's owner already put their coaching staff on a short leash, I can assure you they won't see Manziel as their savior. That leaves the Texans, the only reason the media is yapping about the them picking Manziel is because he's from Texas. But what the media doesn't realize is the Texans already decided to pick Bridgewater. That's why he didn't run at the combine. Obrien assured him he won't be coming to Houston for his running ability. Remember, you heard it here first.
 



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Posted 27 February 2014 - 11:51 AM

Then what would be the reasoning behind someone drafting something like that? That's why I say by the time May come he will fall off everyone's board. I doubt he's even on anyone's board. And the fall out already begins:

 

http://www.nfl.com/n...-johnny-manziel

 

This makes sense because I don't believe Cleveland's new GM won't put his job on the line for Manziel because people get fired pretty quick there. Jacksonville's head coach is probably on the hot seat so he has to at least make right by this pick. So, they won't take unnecessary risk. The Raider's owner already put their coaching staff on a short leash, I can assure you they won't see Manziel as their savior. That leaves the Texans, the only reason the media is yapping about the them picking Manziel is because he's from Texas. But what the media doesn't realize is the Texans already decided to pick Bridgewater. That's why he didn't run at the combine. Obrien assured him he won't be coming to Houston for his running ability. Remember, you heard it here first.
 

 

 

 

Why do you get so worked up with what Skip Bayless and Mel Kiper have to say?

 

You are their bread and butter...a sheep that tunes in every day just to get all flustered.



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Posted 27 February 2014 - 11:53 AM

Although Jaws was and has been wrong about Cam and Kaep I will have to agree with him here about the beloved Johnny Football.

IMO Manziel makes some of the most amazing plays I have ever seen but he also makes his share of horrible ones to balance that out. I just think his limitations of his size, average arm strength and limited experience reading defenses will hinder him at the next level. Russell Wilson has the same size limitation if not shorter but he has elite arm strength and can read defenses...but most importantly had the mental makeup and maturity that i think Manzel lacks today.

I really agree with Todd Mcshay on his assessment from watching film on Manziel. He said that Manziel makes a lot of horrible decisions in each game and then makes an incredible play to bail him out and wonders how successful that will bein the NFL. He does not view Manziel as a give him the ball and he will win the game guy no matter what the team looks like. One series Johnny will look all world and the next the worst QB ever.

He thinks Manziel can have success but said the team he goes to would have to have the perfect structure...support.. offensive scheme..and worries that teams at the top of the draft that may not offer that...which is typical in the top 5 of most drafts.

 

There's a line in "the Legend of Bagger Vance" where the narrator mentions that one of the golfers understood the principle that two or three bad shots could be made up for by one spectacular one.

 

That can be true in football as well...to a point.

 

When you have to depend on that on a regular basis, you become a very nervous person.



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Posted 27 February 2014 - 12:00 PM

Why do you get so worked up with what Skip Bayless and Mel Kiper have to say?

 

You are their bread and butter...a sheep that tunes in every day just to get all flustered.

Just passing time. lol



#35 Evengelion

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Posted 27 February 2014 - 12:16 PM

There's a line in "the Legend of Bagger Vance" where the narrator mentions that one of the golfers understood the principle that two or three bad shots could be made up for by one spectacular one.

 

That can be true in football as well...to a point.

I don't think those golfers had 300 pound DTs going at their knee and head to concuss them. And two pick 6s can put the other team up 14 by the time you get your 'one spectacular' TD.



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Posted 09 May 2014 - 03:28 PM

Just passing time. lol


Is this guy still alive? Curious about his thoughts since he guaranteed JFF wouldn't go first round.

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Posted 09 May 2014 - 03:35 PM

Is this guy still alive? Curious about his thoughts since he guaranteed JFF wouldn't go first round.

He's not the only who thought he wouldn't go 1st round. Cleveland had a pick to waste. That's all. And it's more a business decision than sport. There's report ticket sale has skyrocketed for cleveland. The problem will come when he's not able to beat Hoyer. Weeden, Quinn, and Johnny, lucky 22.



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Posted 09 May 2014 - 03:48 PM

He's not the only who thought he wouldn't go 1st round. Cleveland had a pick to waste. That's all. And it's more a business decision than sport. There's report ticket sale has skyrocketed for cleveland. The problem will come when he's not able to beat Hoyer. Weeden, Quinn, and Johnny, lucky 22.

 

 

Oh right.



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Posted 09 May 2014 - 03:58 PM

I'm sincerely wondering if Jaws has degenerative brain damage from his playing days.  He seems to get dumber every year. 



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Posted 09 May 2014 - 04:10 PM

I'm sincerely wondering if Jaws has degenerative brain damage from his playing days.  He seems to get dumber every year. 

We'll find out when Johnny is jumping over his own offensive linemen.



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Posted 09 May 2014 - 04:18 PM

The guy who shouldn't be picked until after the 3rd is Derek Carr.  He's a shitty amalgam of Jay Cutler, Blane Gabbert and his older brother. 



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Posted 10 May 2014 - 01:12 PM

Is this guy still alive? Curious about his thoughts since he guaranteed JFF wouldn't go first round.

Like someone else already posted, he was drafted because of a business decision. He won't even be able to beat out the 3rd string, just like his counterpart T3bow. And again, a business decision will get him the starting job.


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