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When I saw Easley, he was beasting and they (if I am not mistaken) moved him around a lot. He is at 280, so he is a good option if we part ways with Hardy. I also liked Will Clarke, the DE from WV who was awesome at the Senior Bowl, as a 4th round option.

Oh yeah, the guy was on his way to being drafted in the first round by the way he started off the season too. Easley is an animal (high-motor, intense, versatile, violent hands, agile and athletic) and we might be able to pick him at a great value.

Clarke impressed me too. If he's there in fourth, fifth, sixth,... we gotta take him. He appears to have some upside.

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Peppers (14 million)?

Nope. Not with The Panthers.

 

That figure is what Hardy is supposedly going to start with and negotiate from there.

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This year, we pick late and there is not really much to choose from at DE.  Hardy had field days against weak LTs, racking up 15 sacks. I definitely would like to see another season before I paid him nearly $1m per game.

 

I think the tag, to extend what Panther 55 says, will def. non-exclusive rights so we could entertain offers.  I don't get the feeling the Panthers are in love with GH, but they don't want to get nothing for him.

 

all good DEs have field days against weak LTs.

 

not all DEs have field days against weak LTs.

 

see what I did there?

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all good DEs have field days against weak LTs.

 

not all DEs have field days against weak LTs.

 

see what I did there?

 

I sure did!

 

Watch the tape vs. the better tackles he faced--Staley, even Kalil (who struggled a bit in 2014), and Jake Long (St. Louis).  That is what concerns me.  Not down on Hardy, just not convinced he is elite yet.

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I sure did!

Watch the tape vs. the better tackles he faced--Staley, even Kalil (who struggled a bit in 2014), and Jake Long (St. Louis). That is what concerns me. Not down on Hardy, just not convinced he is elite yet.

I hate to be that guy who brings in the Pep comparisons but he was a guy that would work a probowler and get handled by a 3rd stringer or a rookie. I would wager there are more lesser OTs than elite ones and if I'm playing percentages I'd take Hardy destroying the weak LTs of which there are more of than Pep doing the same to the elite guys which there are less of.

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I hate to be that guy who brings in the Pep comparisons but he was a guy that would work a probowler and get handled by a 3rd stringer or a rookie. I would wager there are more lesser OTs than elite ones and if I'm playing percentages I'd take Hardy destroying the weak LTs of which there are more of than Pep doing the same to the elite guys which there are less of.

 

You are right, and I think we had the same concerns with Pep.  And the lack of talent at LT is a real problem in the NFL.  Hardy did some of his damage from the inside, which makes him more valuable, in our system.  I just hate to see that much cap going to what we already have.  Do you think Hardy is elite--worth $12-14 million?  I am not there yet.

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You are right, and I think we had the same concerns with Pep. And the lack of talent at LT is a real problem in the NFL. Hardy did some of his damage from the inside, which makes him more valuable, in our system. I just hate to see that much cap going to what we already have. Do you think Hardy is elite--worth $12-14 million? I am not there yet.

Elite is just a word that I don't put a lot of value in. The question is if we don't pay him who makes up those 15 sacks? It would be even worse with teams focussing on CJ cutting his production thereby creating a loss of up to 20 sacks from our stat sheet. Scary stuff my man. Sometimes you just have to pay the piper to keep from going down the shitter.

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You are right, and I think we had the same concerns with Pep. And the lack of talent at LT is a real problem in the NFL. Hardy did some of his damage from the inside, which makes him more valuable, in our system. I just hate to see that much cap going to what we already have. Do you think Hardy is elite--worth $12-14 million? I am not there yet.

I think super young potential studs in Star and KK make his diversity to go inside less important in comparison to if we had Fua and McClain at DT
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I hate to be that guy who brings in the Pep comparisons but he was a guy that would work a probowler and get handled by a 3rd stringer or a rookie. I would wager there are more lesser OTs than elite ones and if I'm playing percentages I'd take Hardy destroying the weak LTs of which there are more of than Pep doing the same to the elite guys which there are less of.

I think Pep was elite bc of how diverse he was.....not that he could dominate every man he lined up against.

I've seen Byron Bell go up against elite pass rushers and they did nothing......doesn't make them poo and Bell good

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I think Pep was elite bc of how diverse he was.....not that he could dominate every man he lined up against.

I've seen Byron Bell go up against elite pass rushers and they did nothing......doesn't make them poo and Bell good

 

Hardy is diverse as well.  How and who Pep/Hardy performed against isn't really all that important.  The fact is that we are stuck in a tough situation with Hardy being that the only option that doesn't translate to a weaker defense is to pay Hardy right now.  I don't like the amount he will command but it could really hurt that front four without him and expose an already weak secondary.

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Hardy will try and squeeze out big bucks, we will tag him which will make other teams try and negotiate with Gettleman to take less compensation than two 1s.  Gettleman will entertain that or not.  If he sticks to 2  1s then either they give him huge bucks and we get the picks or Hardy won't get another offer and will play for the tag and this all plays out again next year, he accepts what we are offering him, or we find a trade partner and get compensation.  In any event we really hold the cards and we won't have to essentially meet his demands of 14 million.  I think we offer him something in the 10 million range with incentives that could grow the contract to 14 million based on things like getting 20 sacks, making the pro-bowl, All pro status, going to the superbowl, etc.  If he can do all that, he deserves the extra bucks.

 

Yup, Hardy seems like a player that needs motivation to play, so pay him to play.

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I think super young potential studs in Star and KK make his diversity to go inside less important in comparison to if we had Fua and McClain at DT

 

Very good point.  I also think the draft is deep at DT and we could add another solid DT. 

 

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