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Have now read 3 legit mocks with Falcs moving up for Clowney


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#25 TheMaulClaw

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Posted 01 March 2014 - 03:57 PM

It's hard to believe that Houston is going to take Clowney. Bill O'Brien is a very no-nonsense type of guy, and I don't think that Clowney would fit in very well. Besides, if I were Houston, and I wanted someone to compliment JJ Watt, I'd get Mack. Mack is a true Clay Matthews-esque player who could come off the edge and do some serious damage, but also drop back into coverage and play great defense there.

 

I agree that Mack is a good player, but there is NO ONE as physically talented as Clowney this year...and it's not close.  



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Posted 01 March 2014 - 04:11 PM

I agree that Mack is a good player, but there is NO ONE as physically talented as Clowney this year...and it's not close.


Physical talent doesn't equate success in the NFL. Vernon Gholston was a physical marvel with a more impressive college resume, didn't keep him from being a huge bust.

Jared Allen is proof you don't need all that athleticism, but heart and motor go a long way.

I'd much have the lesser athlete who wanted it than the physical freak that thinks he already has it.

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Posted 01 March 2014 - 04:21 PM

Clowney will be the biggest bust in recent history (sorry, cock fans)...

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Posted 01 March 2014 - 04:28 PM

Physical talent doesn't equate success in the NFL. Vernon Gholston was a physical marvel with a more impressive college resume, didn't keep him from being a huge bust.

Jared Allen is proof you don't need all that athleticism, but heart and motor go a long way.

I'd much have the lesser athlete who wanted it than the physical freak that thinks he already has it.

 

 

I agree.  I just expect to see a highly motivated Clowney when he enters the pros.  His sophomore year is more indicative of how he projects other then he's faster and stronger now.

 

I don't think the motivation issues are a realistic problem moving forward for him.

 

As a Gamecock fan and someone who has watched just about all their games the past 10 years it sucked that he protected himself last year.....but I understand.  With the new CBA it's absolutely imperative for a prospect to protect their number 1 status.  The difference between what a 1st round guy and a 4th round guy makes his staggering.    I don't think it was necessarily lack of motivation or motor.  I think it was business.



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Posted 01 March 2014 - 04:40 PM

I agree that Mack is a good player, but there is NO ONE as physically talented as Clowney this year...and it's not close.  

 

Did I ever say there was another player as gifted? Nope. This has nothing to do with Clowney's ability, we all know he has it. It has everything to do with what is going through his head. Todd Marinovich also had some of the most amazing physical ability that the NFL had ever seen, he was bred and trained to be an NFL QB. How did that work out?

 

All of the red flags are there for Clowney. Which you probably won't agree to, since you've already since you're a fan of his. Either way, if I was Houston, I would get a QB. Hands down. The NFL is won by having a franchise QB, not a franchise DE.



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Posted 01 March 2014 - 04:52 PM

I would so love for this to happen.  I think Clowney has bust written all over him, but even if he turns out to be great, the cost of moving up is just too high to justify it unless you're doing it for a franchise QB.  The Falcons should've already learned this lesson with Julio Jones.  They moved up and got a great player out of the deal, but they can look around their roster and see all the holes and look back at that trade as a major contributing factor.



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Posted 01 March 2014 - 04:55 PM

I agree that Mack is a good player, but there is NO ONE as physically talented as Clowney this year...and it's not close.  

 

All of that physical talent equated to 3 sacks in COLLEGE this past season.  Pretty much every bust in the history of professional sports had all the physical talent you could ask for.



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Posted 01 March 2014 - 05:22 PM

Did I ever say there was another player as gifted? Nope. This has nothing to do with Clowney's ability, we all know he has it. It has everything to do with what is going through his head. Todd Marinovich also had some of the most amazing physical ability that the NFL had ever seen, he was bred and trained to be an NFL QB. How did that work out?

 

All of the red flags are there for Clowney. Which you probably won't agree to, since you've already since you're a fan of his. Either way, if I was Houston, I would get a QB. Hands down. The NFL is won by having a franchise QB, not a franchise DE.

 

It's because you didn't say it that I said it.  Thus the point of saying it.



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Posted 01 March 2014 - 05:50 PM

All of that physical talent equated to 3 sacks in COLLEGE this past season. Pretty much every bust in the history of professional sports had all the physical talent you could ask for.



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Posted 01 March 2014 - 05:56 PM

All of that physical talent equated to 3 sacks in COLLEGE this past season.  Pretty much every bust in the history of professional sports had all the physical talent you could ask for.

 

We all know Clowney mailed it in to protect his draft stock.  If he would have been allowed to come out after his sophomore year we're not even having this conversation.   Sorry for not agreeing that he's going to be a bust.  His backside pursuit alone puts him at another level.  Once again you guys throw out the sack number.  Sorry he only got three sacks after being tripled teamed and having no one to take advantage this past year while trying to protect his draft status.  I don't blame him.  He was the primary target of all offensive lineman he played against last year, he had a big X on his chest....I wouldn't want to get hurt either and it cost me 5 million dollars.  

 

SCAR has a good draft history on defense.  Wish someone would ask Melvin Ingram if Clowney is any good.



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Posted 01 March 2014 - 06:28 PM

It's hard to believe that Houston is going to take Clowney. Bill O'Brien is a very no-nonsense type of guy, and I don't think that Clowney would fit in very well. Besides, if I were Houston, and I wanted someone to compliment JJ Watt, I'd get Mack. Mack is a true Clay Matthews-esque player who could come off the edge and do some serious damage, but also drop back into coverage and play great defense there.

 

They're going to take Bridgewater. He fits perfectly there and has the attitude/work ethic to win at the NFL level. Browns will take Manziel and continue their mediocrity.



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Posted 01 March 2014 - 07:07 PM

They may take Bortles.


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