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#181 C47

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Posted 03 March 2014 - 01:43 PM

I was talking more about production instead of role. He'll be the number one WR until the team finds someone better, but I think that Gettleman wants to pay him for his production instead of his role. He wants him to take a pay cut like Gross. 

Gross was forced to take the pay cut or else he would have been cut. 

 

Gross was also given the courtesy of a private conversation to reach that solution. Steve Smith wasn't given the same respect Jordan was.



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Posted 03 March 2014 - 01:43 PM

I would hardly call the Cam thing a "non story", since just about every time our team struggled that came up, especially early in the season.

It's not about being or not being able to "handle" comments, but creating a basic dialogue. My hope is that one has occurred by now, as it should have anyway to begin with. It's just disappointing that we are heading into Gettleman's second season as our GM, and for the second time we are dealing with the fallout stemming from his own comments about one of the key players in our franchise at a press conference.


Because Can wasn't questioned in his 2nd year when he didn't play well? The Gettleman comments didn't change anything. When GMan was hired people were already saying Cam wasn't his type of QB. And as I said it was a non issue in the locker room/front office which is all that matters.

And again, you are over reacting to mainly media driven story.

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Posted 03 March 2014 - 02:02 PM

I really doubt we turned the corner because of Wharton and the bottom 3. Also 6 of those guys are going to be walking out of the door this year because of 1 yr deals. That means we have to pull a rabbit out of the hat again this year to make it to the playoffs. Right now as we sit we are a worse team than last year and need even more improvement. Like I said before with his moves people are going to be calling for his head at the end of the year unless he pulls a Hail Mary.

 

Right, but people are forgetting, it is very hard to build when you are given a team with ridiculous contracts and you are 12% over the cap.  I think Gettlemen showed his eye for talent, but the real building probably won't start until the dead money starts falling off the books.   Are we really expecting him to build from what he inherited? 

 

I think winning was very important to the community.  Last year, we were fighting over the stadium renovations and discussing the possibility of the team moving to L.A.  A few more losing seasons, which is where this team was headed without some immediate changes, could have been catastrophic.

 

I think he will build a team, but it is going to take a few years to squeeze Hurney's idiocy off the books. 



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Posted 03 March 2014 - 02:05 PM

Gettleman answered the Smith question exactly like he should have.  EVERY player is being evaluated....should they be upgraded, are they playing at a level comensurate with their salary/cap, etc

 

Gett is showing that everyone has to produce at a level that warrants their pay (no exceptions)....and this is the right thing to do.

 

If G-man answered the question exactly like he should have, then it wouldn't have gotten as big as it did. Why everyone is just trying to discount having some tact and wisdom is beyond me, but, hey, it is what it is.

 

I am steadfast in my opinion that G-man should have said something to this effect:

 

"Smitty has been an invaluable member of the Carolina Panthers. Going forward he is part of the puzzle. Next question."

 

No one has yet to tell me how what he said is a better answer than what I said. You know why, because frankly it's not. The answer above suggests that Smitty is an important part going forward, buy doesn't commit to him being a part going forward.  More importantly, it doesn't mention Smith like he is in the past tense. None of that. It's being truthful, but leaves latitude. It doesn't paint yourself into a corner, and in fact doesn't leave a reporter any wiggle room because it can be repeated if necessary (and as necessary). Furthermore, it speaks for itself. 

 

Just because you are a straight-shooter and have a right to say something any way you want, doesn't mean that you should say something any way you want. This is especially true when dealing with delicate issues like people's jobs and lives. To me, it's common sense, but from people's responses maybe it's not so common.

 

And, for the record (again), I love the way G-man has handles his business overall, but that doesn't mean that the man is perfect. People should stop trying to treat him as though he is.



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Posted 03 March 2014 - 02:29 PM

If G-man answered the question exactly like he should have, then it wouldn't have gotten as big as it did. Why everyone is just trying to discount having some tact and wisdom is beyond me, but, hey, it is what it is.

 

I am steadfast in my opinion that G-man should have said something to this effect:

 

"Smitty has been an invaluable member of the Carolina Panthers. Going forward he is part of the puzzle. Next question."

 

No one has yet to tell me how what he said is a better answer than what I said. You know why, because frankly it's not. The answer above suggests that Smitty is an important part going forward, buy doesn't commit to him being a part going forward.  More importantly, it doesn't mention Smith like he is in the past tense. None of that. It's being truthful, but leaves latitude. It doesn't paint yourself into a corner, and in fact doesn't leave a reporter any wiggle room because it can be repeated if necessary (and as necessary). Furthermore, it speaks for itself. 

 

Just because you are a straight-shooter and have a right to say something any way you want, doesn't mean that you should say something any way you want. This is especially true when dealing with delicate issues like people's jobs and lives. To me, it's common sense, but from people's responses maybe it's not so common.

 

And, for the record (again), I love the way G-man has handles his business overall, but that doesn't mean that the man is perfect. People should stop trying to treat him as though he is.

 

I am sure that Gettlemen would do it over if he could, and I am willing to bet he has mended the fence already.  The press is trying to sell a version of the truth, not the whole truth.  However,  you could also say, "Should Smitty have asked Gettlemen what he meant before making comments to the media?"  Gettlemen was using the present perfect tense of the verb, and Smitty called it the past tense, which changes the meaning (forgot who made that point frst).   However, Gettlemen missed an opportunity (as you say) to give the best player in franchise history his due.

 

Gettlemen could probably use a few lessons in media relations, but the man is honest.  This is why athletes and coaches etc. are trained in using cliches during interviews.

 



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Posted 03 March 2014 - 04:22 PM

I don't honestly give an airborne rodent's rectum about how savvy our GM is in media relations.

I care about whether or not he can build a winning team.

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Posted 03 March 2014 - 04:42 PM

He didn't use the past tense.

I quote, "Steve's had a great career. " and he also said something to the effect of, that no one stays around forever...



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Posted 03 March 2014 - 04:44 PM

"has had" is called the Present Perfect Tense

 

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Posted 03 March 2014 - 06:44 PM

thats not what i posted.

 

i posted i would wonder what you thought of Cam coming out and saying what Steve Smith said. And yes that could surely happen.

 

 

Unlike this current situation, Cam *HAS* been disrespected by many for almost three years now.

 

But if someone 10 years from now tells him he HAS HAD a great career but he will be evaluated like the rest of the team?  (1) I suspect Cam would take it like the businessMAN that he is and has been since he's been drafted into the league.  (2) If he did (hypothetically) take offense to such an innocuous statement, he'd be wrong.



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Posted 03 March 2014 - 06:47 PM

I quote, "Steve's had a great career. " and he also said something to the effect of, that no one stays around forever...

 

 

And I pointed out to you that "HAS HAD" is present perfect, not past.

 

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Posted 03 March 2014 - 08:32 PM

This guy became a fan because of one player that we drafted, but proceeds to talk about someone being a "diva". Hilarious.

Steve Smith will be gone eventually, and these people talking poo will be wishing he wasn't. Wait, and see.

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Posted 03 March 2014 - 08:38 PM

Because Can wasn't questioned in his 2nd year when he didn't play well? The Gettleman comments didn't change anything. When GMan was hired people were already saying Cam wasn't his type of QB. And as I said it was a non issue in the locker room/front office which is all that matters.

And again, you are over reacting to mainly media driven story.


There were only a few idiot fans saying Cam wasn't his type of quarterback.

Well we disagree, I think it was definitely more than a "non issue".